The only thing that can cause me a problem while im using the Su-25M3 is the enemy jet, otherwise its a free sky.
But still su25-sm3 has something that no one else has
How tf is that fair and justified, please explain
You replied to the wrong person, I said all ten tech trees need new SPAA.
Su-25SM3 is just a pebble in a bed of rocks.
It’s not new, it doesn’t add anything that hasn’t been here for years now.
20km range CAS has been the most OP for a year, and OP in general for 2 years.
It’s why we heard Gaijin’s working on new anti-air systems within the last 6 months.
İ make fun about Alwis.
Alwis be like: Hur durr you’re insulting all NATO fans.
Wake up to reality kiddo, you dont represent any community in here.
@Panther2995
Weird since I agree with ten-thousands of fellow NATO fans, and thus they agree with me.
I am not alone, and nor are they.
Just sick of people defending CAS just cause less skilled CAS tactics die to ADATS, Pantsir, TOR-M1, and ITO-90M; when it’s so easy just to not ever die.
Not necessarily, though it is arguing in bad faith.
Also, following your logic both arguments are invalid, so I will hop in here with mine.
WT should be made into a pizza-making sim.
Clearly its now the correct one /s
Okay, valid argument
But still, Pantsir is still one of the best Spaa of the game and the kh-38mt still is unique in its capabilities as a agm
How tf is the game balanced when the best spaa and the platform with the best cas missle is in the same tt?
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I half agree…
All CAS has potential to be strong, but not all CAS vs SPAA encounters are equal. My experience in the Tornado Gr1 is that if you are fired upon by a Pantsir the moment you spawn in, you have a relatively low survival chance. Vs any other SPAA system in game. I can usually defend without much effort.
This could be mitigated by increasing the distance for air spawn point by even just 5km. This would give currently underperforming airframes like the Tornado slightly more time to position and actually engage more fairly. Perhaps even fight back.
Not all SPAAs are equal, and in a recent match with 4 of us, on comms (all of which Id consider significantly more experienced than myself) countering aircraft like the Su-25SM3 was exceptionally hard, even with multiple SPAA systems active. But any other aircraft we encountered, didnt last long, Even sniped an F-15A buzzing around with a Stormer.
In my opinion. Pantsir sits at a high 11.7 maybe even 12.0 position due to several unique and important strengths (like the fact it doesnt ping most RWRs) meanwhile a lot of other SPAA systems, like ADATS, might be nudging more towards the bottom end or even 11.3 (and thats even if we should consider ADATS an SPAA system due to SP cost, if its the end of the match and you are low on SP, then maybe the best you can field is actually a Stormer HVM)
I think there is room to give better SPAAs to the other 9 nations. Room to fairly buff CAS (like moving spawn point slightly further away) as well as other improvements, like buffing/finishing specific aircraft
You mention you can defend against a Pantsir in the Tornado, but would it be a lot easier with the ability to dump 1200 chaff and pull an extra G or 2?
I also think there is room for general CAS buffs. Like upgrading TIALD to Gen 2 (bug report is in for that) adding more advanced long range weapons to compete with systems like KH-38 (heck, Tornado Gr1 could get 4x Martels added last major) and the room for potential new systems like Brimstone.
I think there is some notable balance issues with soviets vs others.
Of course, spaa are made to kill planes
But even skilled players pay EXTRA attention to s1s, doesn’t that prove that it is at least a strong spaa that has the most potential to obliterate careless ppl?
You’re alone cause nobody cares about you.
Half of the community already blocked you on this forum yet you’re still thinking people agrees with you.
They just ignore you thats all.
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he’s a big clown don’t waste your energy on him.
Nah im mostly ignoring him but sometimes i like to bite his bait and make fun of him.
Already started to ignore him again.
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IF 1: We could lock the ground beyond 20km…
And 1a: There was 20km range SPAA against subsonic jets [there currently isn’t]…
THEN KH-38 would be unique.
However, no SPAA exceeds 13km against supersonic jets, or 15km against subsonic jets [Pantsir].
And CAS range is 20km, 17 - 18km at mach 1.
Here’s a trash illustration of the tactic I use in matches that the Tornado even pulls off: 9 - 11km altitude.
Top tier hasn’t been enjoyable for a long time.
Unless you play Russia.
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The best agms DEFINITELY mean something when they’re so much faster and have more range than the competition. AGM 65s and the ones on the Tornado that I forgot the name of are considerably slower which gives a lot bigger of a window for counterplay (getting into cover, or firing your own missile at it.) You also don’t really need to climb with the KH 38s. You spawn in, do a U turn to gain a extra 5 km of distance where no spaa can touch you, and bam, you’re golden. If you really want altitude, you can do it during your U turn. These aren’t AGM 65s where you have to worry about altitude to get the most out of your range. The only consistent effective counterplay you can do against it is get in your own jet. I very much agree that cas in general is overpowered. But missiles like the KH 38 have no place in the game right now without stationary AA with the range to deal with it like the Patriot system. Pandora’s box has been opened again just like it was in air with all aspect IR missiles at 10.0. Don’t get me wrong, I understand what you’re saying about climbing up to use your AGMs outside of range of all SPAA. What I’m trying to tell you though is that you can completely cut out that stage of prep thanks to the sheer speed of the KH 38
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PGMs
KH-38 is no different to what we’ve had for years.
If we had better SPAA that was still below KH-38 alleged range, then that’d be a different story, but we don’t.
And we can’t test KH-38’s maximum range because we can’t lock the ground beyond 20km.
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Pantsir is not OP unless they make it like 12.7. just like the 2S38, just needs some BR increasing.
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Laughs in AGM 65 and PGM You fire the missile at the edge of the range of the Pantsir, make a U turn, and watch it be as helpless as the rest of the SPAA in game
You mean Sweden.
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