Where they literally turn around and say “we dont believe these primary sources are true and so will be modeling the Stingers to be worse than IGLAs”
IGLAs are the best MANPADs in the game because Gaijin makes them so. This is a simple fact. I dont know what else there is to discuss. Shilka is fine at 9.3 probably should be 9.7 though and Stingers need a MASSIVE buff to get them anywhere near IRL levels of performance at which point, the stinger slingers might be worth taking as an actual choice and not a choice of convenience. (i.e might as well take the Gepard 1A2 over the Gepard 1 because they are the same in every respect except you have a few Stingers to fire off at targets and you might get lucky.)
But I personally havent bothered with even grinding the Stormer AD and just the actually usable Stormer HVM. I know the stingers would be useless vs anything other recon drones. I stopped even bothering to take ATAS on the G-Lynx because they couldnt hit a stalled B-52
What does this have to do about one lunatic claiming that the Gepard1a2 should be 10.3.
Honestly mate go play the shilkas then come back to this thread, I can guarantee you will change your tune. Just like anyone else who makes wild claims about russian vehicles without playing them.
It tries to do so by moving at a speed lower than 30 km/h and with no defensive capacity, since even against the TAM it has difficulty penetrating from the front.
Comparing the Gepard 1A2, they have much more in common with the LAV-AD than the ShilkaM4 has with the Gepard 1A2.
Literally, for a little more BR, you’re facing the same thing, even though it’s 10 times better in every way.
As a reminder, the 25mm is an APCR (“Fragmented Projectile” enters chat) that travels at the same speed as the 35mm, which is an APHE, and does a much better job once it penetrates.
No they are fine they have great irccm ans seeker
Yes they can be dodged easily but if u lunch on the right angle or 2 its pretty much confirmed kill
Also half of the players doesent even pay attention
while i agree a bit, i think they should focus on AA with proxy fuze rounds at the 9.0br
as someone else mentionned, M247 is very capable, having equivalents in other trees could fill the gap.
Regarding ZSU-23-M4’s br, i think it’s currently fine where it is. The only other SPAA i play at the br is santal, and while it’s better at long range, is relatively defenseless up close, unlike ZSU.
This can depend on the explosive mass carried. Also i don’t think strela is that big ? 40kg if memory serves. While it’s bigger than a Stinger (13kg) or a mistral (19kg) it’s not reaching a full sized AAM fox 2 (80 kg)
Mistral has basically a similar warhead to Strela, but is somewhat more recent, and has an octogonal shaped cone, which, according to its designers, was a particular pain in the backside to develop. Those 2 factors might explain the slightly longer range of mistral despite being smaller and carrying a similar payload.
True, M247 is the undisputed king when it comes to SPAAGs, it’s like the Pantsir of 8.0 - 9.0 range.
Not seeing more HE-VT slingers around that BR for so many years is honestly weird.
I agree with you, M4 is fine where it is at the moment, I was just commenting on some claims that it should actually move up.
