I actually find the 9.3 SAMs performing worse than the M247 lol
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True, the M247 is one of the most deadly SPAA around that BR bracket.
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No they are fine they have great irccm ans seeker
Yes they can be dodged easily but if u lunch on the right angle or 2 its pretty much confirmed kill
Also half of the players doesent even pay attention
There is the chaparral but it doesnt have irccm and it has bad seeker
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It definitely has use cases where it’s actually better than IR SAMs.
Those tracer-less proxy rounds go a long way, dodging those is impossible.
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while i agree a bit, i think they should focus on AA with proxy fuze rounds at the 9.0br
as someone else mentionned, M247 is very capable, having equivalents in other trees could fill the gap.
Regarding ZSU-23-M4’s br, i think it’s currently fine where it is. The only other SPAA i play at the br is santal, and while it’s better at long range, is relatively defenseless up close, unlike ZSU.
ha good times X)
This can depend on the explosive mass carried. Also i don’t think strela is that big ? 40kg if memory serves. While it’s bigger than a Stinger (13kg) or a mistral (19kg) it’s not reaching a full sized AAM fox 2 (80 kg)
Mistral has basically a similar warhead to Strela, but is somewhat more recent, and has an octogonal shaped cone, which, according to its designers, was a particular pain in the backside to develop. Those 2 factors might explain the slightly longer range of mistral despite being smaller and carrying a similar payload.
True, M247 is the undisputed king when it comes to SPAAGs, it’s like the Pantsir of 8.0 - 9.0 range.
Not seeing more HE-VT slingers around that BR for so many years is honestly weird.
I agree with you, M4 is fine where it is at the moment, I was just commenting on some claims that it should actually move up.
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Ha TBH it wasn’t aimed at you specifically X)
Should’ve written an other post. But i agree it shouldn’t move up
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Which it already is, so job done.
Israeli version has it on the G variant.
Yea but its 9.7
I talked about the us one just to note there is lower br missile spaa then 9.3
true, but its missiles are crap, if they don’t chase flares they lock onto ordnance fired from particularly helicopters. And lets not forget the huge smoke trail, only positive about the Chaparal is the number of missiles it carries.
Tbh in this br most aircraft doesnt have flares and i didnt find it as bad even at 9.3
Only.problem is far helis that u cant do nothing exept hiding
isnt Lav AD at 10.3 now? If so idk how because it doesnt even have a search radar, its only trick is unreliable and hard to aim anti tank rockets that dont even have much pen.
The LAV-AD has way more stuff than any of the other manpads slingers.
Meanwhile the ozelot/gepard 1a2 both being 9.7 despite the igla being better
like?
I know it gets hydras and I guess more stingers but more missiles means less with ammo boxes, and not having any search capability really limits it
It’s not just “more stingers”, it gets 4x as many. You see a plane trying to do stuff, you can just keep sending them out almost endlessly. A Gepard 1A2 or ZSU-23-4M4 with ammo boxes only have 8, the LAV-AD has 16 without using its ammo box.
The Hydras are very useful at short range and can easily deal with MBTs that the other 2 can’t (and you STILL get 12 stingers), and the gun has way less tracers making it harder to dodge.
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What are you on about, it isn’t better than stinger.
Gepard is a better platform while Ozelot trades the gun for extremely small size, great speed, IRST and thermals.
They aren’t equal.