Not even 16 rounds of AKD10, if the future cm502 is a piece of garbage, this is naked discrimination.
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They wouldn’t, something is infinitely better than nothing for us Chinese players at this point, we already have the consensus that the game will never be a 100% accurate representation of the real world.
As far as I know, the Russian Kh-38 has a range of 40 km, while the CM502 on the Z-10ME only has a range of 25 km. Therefore, to balance things, the Kh-38 should be removed from Russian fighter jets.
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If the Z-10ME had fire-and-forget missiles, I wouldn’t mind using GE to unlock this helicopter. But as it stands, the Z-10ME still uses outdated weaponry—I don’t even want to research it.
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You know, Chinese players and foreign players often have different views on Chinese vehicles. But this time I am glad to see that we have gained unity in the face of this universally recognized useless heli made by Gaijin.
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I don’t see any needs to grind for this copy paste z-10me which has no fire and forget missiles – cm502, which has been there for 2 years in the file, and z-10me should be able to use it
what’s the point of adding them to the game if I would still play it the way as the old Z-10?
your customer manager says that it will be overpowering.
Remember what else did you guys say that was overpowering?
PL-8B missile and 4 KH29T for JH7A
PL-8B turns out to have exact the same seeker of an R73, and the same air frame of PL-8. Anyone complaining that it is too overpowering in game? no one had ever said that.
4 KH29T will make JH7A too overpowering?
Later you just gave Russian 6 KH38 for su30sm and su34
The dev team seems to consider more about some nation’s ego more than game fair and income
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last time you said PL-8B would be too op in game and affect game balance and now it just doesn’t
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Or about any missile/agm/bomb they added were “too overpowered” lol, typical gaijin moment
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China really need IR weapon its the only nation in game without any IR weapon
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Just adding a radar and jamming system warrants developing a whole new helicopter? If this were a Russian aircraft, a retrofit kit would suffice. Even fitting it with a CM502 missile could pass it off as “new”—don’t argue CM502 is overpowered; you’ve selectively tweaked performance for countless other weapons already. What’s one more exception?Fold it up, no player will waste time on the skin changing helicopter
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Hi Smin, I notice that there is an accepted issue showing a photo taken during the Zhuhai Airshow, in which Z10ME has a “Laser Warning” sign on the DIRCM device, that Mi28MN’s in-game model also has one on its device, indicating that these two Heli’s DIRCMs work similarly. However, the issue pointed out that Z10ME’s Dircm in the last test server could not intercept advanced IR missiles like spikes.
I’m not sure if it is fixed in this test sever, the issue’s status remains “accpeted” but not “fixed”. So I’m here to ask whether the Z10ME’s DIRCM issue is fixed, or is Gaijing planning to fix that during the second test sever?
issue website is shown below:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/pleACFHIHznr
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Russia thunder,LOL
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Though not related to this post’s topic, but I still have to complain that CN tech tree lacks IR FnF weaponary for years, and most CN mains are planning to play Broken Arrow instead of Warthunder, is there nothing Gaijin can do about it, or is our voice doesn’t matter at all?
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This Z10ME modification could have simply been implemented as a retrofit kit for the existing Z10, likely requiring only 30,000 to 50,000 XP to unlock. Beyond this upgrade, it’s virtually identical to the original Z10. Why designate it as a separate variant that forces us to waste 400,000+200,000 XP? Does the Z10ME possess any distinctive features justifying this cost? While the US operates numerous Apache variants, at least they differentiate between AGM-114K and AGM-114B missiles. Yet all Z10 models - whether base, A, or ME - remain limited to eight slow-moving AKD-10 missiles. The mod team stated that the 25km-range CM502 missile is too overpowered and won’t be added. Yet they must be incredibly proud of the 40km-range Kh-38, believing it represents perfect balance—doubtless their proudest achievement. Never mind that the game engine won’t render ground targets at 25km anyway. To even launch missiles, helicopters must venture within 10km of combat zones, fire, then wait a full minute only to likely miss. These are helicopters, not third-generation jets!
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Let we divide your explanation into two：25km range and FOF with LOAL.
similar range missle carried by heli （like spike）can only lock within 12KM，comparied with AA monster and pantsir s1 in next game version，do you think spike is too powerful？
Beside the catalouges says nothing about LOAL，if developers believe it have，you can just reduce it to reach a balance(like brimstone),FOF itself wont be too powerful,or it is a must for heli to survive in BR 12.0 or above.
JUST COPY z10 and add an DIRCM to make an item like Z-10me,with the picture of CM502 and model in game but not adding it,there must be some reason behind it,behind the technical reason.
i know the developers have made the final decision, so please allow me have my guess:The REASON is Product 305.
CM502 must not be added into tech tree before the Product 305 come into game.
French,Germany, Italy,all these European tech tree can enjoy the FOF missile but only the China tech tree mustn’t.
WHY? not hard to guess.
I hope the develop team can finish the Product 305 ASAP ,which will increase the possibility of CM502 being added to Z-10ME from 0 to unknown.
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However, the model of the Z10A in the game is wrong. The real Z10A is not like the one in the game. The Z10A in the game can only be regarded as a Z10 (armor-enhanced type)
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Could the management team please explain why the Kh-38MT missile—with its massive 110kg high-explosive warhead, speed exceeding Mach 2, 40km range, and infrared guidance—loaded on supersonic platforms like the Su-30SM/Su-34 (up to 6 units) isn’t considered balance-breaking? Meanwhile, the CM502KG—mounted on the Z-10 platform (which flies under 300km/h), with a mere 11kg payload, 25km range, and Mach 1 speed—has been sitting in the files for nearly three years, delayed due to “balance concerns”? Is that 25km range really that terrifying?
Please note: In top-tier Ground RB, helicopter effective engagement distances rarely exceed 7km, and missiles are highly likely to be intercepted by top-tier AA like the Pantsir. Is the refusal to add China’s infrared F&F missiles really because it would “increase the workload” of Pantsir players? Remember: China remains the only nation in the game without any infrared air-to-ground ATGMs.
I firmly believe adding the following would not break balance:
- AGM-114L for the US
- CM502KG (heli) + KD88/CM704 (air) for China
- Kh-39 for Russia
Instead, it would push players to improve their counterplay skills rather than suffer in an asymmetrical “haves vs. have-nots” environment.
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Sir, I can’t understand what you’re saying, 25km? Is there any irFNF missile in the game with a paper range or locking distance lower than 20km?
I’m sorry I couldn’t use all the TT examples here because I couldn’t find the FNF for CNTT at all. Now, this is the opportunity that CN players have been longing for to add FNF to CNTT, but you want to deprive him of it for reasons that are completely unfounded?
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People, don´t you get it ? They only throw the ME in, so they can excuse throwing in the A as a squadron vehicle and avoid the whole “Top-Tier Premium” thing.
Thats why both are practicly copy-past.
The usual “No, but actualy Yes” approach from Gaijin.
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Sir, please answer me. Since you are not planning to add CM502 to the game in the short term, why did you include its files in the game when Chinese helicopters joined the game three years ago? In these three years, we have watched other series obtain AGM65, KH29, ASSM, and even stronger KH38MT, but the Chinese series has not obtained any new air to ground missiles. Shouldn’t we not be worthy of it? Or is it that such an advanced system as FNF cannot be inferior to low-level CNTT? My statement carries emotions. If it makes you uncomfortable, you can delete it and ban me from speaking
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