Let we divide your explanation into two：25km range and FOF with LOAL.
similar range missle carried by heli （like spike）can only lock within 12KM，comparied with AA monster and pantsir s1 in next game version，do you think spike is too powerful？
Beside the catalouges says nothing about LOAL，if developers believe it have，you can just reduce it to reach a balance(like brimstone),FOF itself wont be too powerful,or it is a must for heli to survive in BR 12.0 or above.
JUST COPY z10 and add an DIRCM to make an item like Z-10me,with the picture of CM502 and model in game but not adding it,there must be some reason behind it,behind the technical reason.
i know the developers have made the final decision, so please allow me have my guess:The REASON is Product 305.
CM502 must not be added into tech tree before the Product 305 come into game.
French,Germany, Italy,all these European tech tree can enjoy the FOF missile but only the China tech tree mustn’t.
WHY? not hard to guess.
I hope the develop team can finish the Product 305 ASAP ,which will increase the possibility of CM502 being added to Z-10ME from 0 to unknown.
However, the model of the Z10A in the game is wrong. The real Z10A is not like the one in the game. The Z10A in the game can only be regarded as a Z10 (armor-enhanced type)
Could the management team please explain why the Kh-38MT missile—with its massive 110kg high-explosive warhead, speed exceeding Mach 2, 40km range, and infrared guidance—loaded on supersonic platforms like the Su-30SM/Su-34 (up to 6 units) isn’t considered balance-breaking? Meanwhile, the CM502KG—mounted on the Z-10 platform (which flies under 300km/h), with a mere 11kg payload, 25km range, and Mach 1 speed—has been sitting in the files for nearly three years, delayed due to “balance concerns”? Is that 25km range really that terrifying?
Please note: In top-tier Ground RB, helicopter effective engagement distances rarely exceed 7km, and missiles are highly likely to be intercepted by top-tier AA like the Pantsir. Is the refusal to add China’s infrared F&F missiles really because it would “increase the workload” of Pantsir players? Remember: China remains the only nation in the game without any infrared air-to-ground ATGMs.
I firmly believe adding the following would not break balance:
- AGM-114L for the US
- CM502KG (heli) + KD88/CM704 (air) for China
- Kh-39 for Russia
Instead, it would push players to improve their counterplay skills rather than suffer in an asymmetrical “haves vs. have-nots” environment.
Sir, I can’t understand what you’re saying, 25km? Is there any irFNF missile in the game with a paper range or locking distance lower than 20km?
I’m sorry I couldn’t use all the TT examples here because I couldn’t find the FNF for CNTT at all. Now, this is the opportunity that CN players have been longing for to add FNF to CNTT, but you want to deprive him of it for reasons that are completely unfounded?
People, don´t you get it ? They only throw the ME in, so they can excuse throwing in the A as a squadron vehicle and avoid the whole “Top-Tier Premium” thing.
Thats why both are practicly copy-past.
The usual “No, but actualy Yes” approach from Gaijin.
Sir, please answer me. Since you are not planning to add CM502 to the game in the short term, why did you include its files in the game when Chinese helicopters joined the game three years ago? In these three years, we have watched other series obtain AGM65, KH29, ASSM, and even stronger KH38MT, but the Chinese series has not obtained any new air to ground missiles. Shouldn’t we not be worthy of it? Or is it that such an advanced system as FNF cannot be inferior to low-level CNTT? My statement carries emotions. If it makes you uncomfortable, you can delete it and ban me from speaking
Hello
Lots of weaponry and unused assets are added to the files all the time. You can find many weapons not yet useable in game in the files.
Something being in the files however is not an indication that its planned to come anytime soon. Thing’s can be added for future use.
The amusing remarks about CM502 remind me of the attitude of the development team when the Brimstone missile was added to the game. Look at the radar issue of the J-11B, the modeling data of the ZTZ-99 tank, and the armor problem of the VT-5 tank. It can be foreseen that Chinese vehicles always enter the game in the weakest state in terms of combat effectiveness. Prejudice in people’s hearts is a huge mountain that no one can overcome. We cannot force others to accept that the weapons and equipment of a country that is only supposed to make household appliances for the world can shoot down advanced fighter jets of the European world, even if all this happens in 2025. Players, we have the right to choose. If Chinese vehicles are not fun, we can still choose other countries, such as the great Russian Federation.
Something is just so funny:
GAIJIN had added spike missile who have F&F and LOAL capability by delete it’s LOAL function 2 years ago.
but after 2 years. they still imagine CM-502KG got a LOAL capability and refuse to add it into game.even the players never request for a LOAL function.
When spike (both LR2 and ER) do really have datalink and LOAL function in real life. How fantasy!
345m/s agm in 11.7 xDD and no cm502 and no new dircm. Pointless and doa
Sir, I still don’t understand why you are avoiding the topic of CNIRFNF(such as cm502) so much. Could you express your opinion on the absence of IRFNF in China’s TT?
https://youtube.com/shorts/Y8_zkxFMTBs?si=K5pnHGhTTeHG3vYb
This is perfectly fine but God forbid you give China a missile on par or slightly worse than Spikes already in game
In fact, the CM502 can be made very distinctive without being too supermodel, because this missile only has two types of warheads, semi armor piercing and high explosive, and does not have a dedicated anti tank armor piercing warhead. Perhaps due to the detonation distance, these two warheads will be difficult to kill main battle tanks in the game, but can be used to deal with light armored targets such as AA. That is to say, a projectile with excellent performance but limited applicability after firing. Cooperating with Ty90 will make the Z-10 a helicopter specialized in seizing air superiority. Ty90 is anti fixed wing, CM502 is anti AA and helicopter
Made 2 reports on the ME
One on the extendable Radar mast
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/dbpxCTl4SeLT
immediately denied for a bogus reason. The shackleton, RCV and PLSS have this feature.
And one for the AG-300M shown with the Z-10ME-01
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/QMD8gRJN8tK3
It’s amazing how many people are replying to this while having no clue what difference IRH vs ARH would make without LOAL.
The RCV and Shackleton have the feature aswell
Well KA52 cant either block spikes / pars.
It is actually quite hilarious, since I can intercept VT1 on Clickbait, but not in KA52 :D
This is a mechanic for tank sights. Not helicopters radars currently. It can be suggested via forum suggestion.