“If the Z-10ME doesn’t carry the CM502KG, please fold it with the existing Z-10. I feel it’s identical to the Z-10 on the tech tree.”
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@Smin1080p_WT Sorry to interrupt, but what about the Fire Snake missiles? The JF-17 already excels with this missile in the game and this helicopter can use it according to several pieces of evidence.
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I don’t understand Chinese so it’s hard for me to make a bug report, but this Z-10ME addition is really bad.
It is not worth developing new equipment at all, not adding equipment that is clearly sourced and can be added.
Adding new aircraft is the main event of this game and it should be more or less attractive, not just a copy and paste.
If you add armaments later in an update, how can you say that it is a big topic of discussion? How much will it contribute to user interest and gaijin profits?
If you have decided that you cannot add CM-502 or FS-70, then you should not add this new aircraft at this time.
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If they would do that, they would get review bombed by chinese players faster than you could say ‘what’
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CM-502KG wouldn’t be gamebreaking
It has 25km stated range but all other missiles with similar ranges can’t even lock or track targets until 6-10km (even the powerful Kh-38MT can’t track until ~10km), sure you can DUMB fire it but without GNSS it will be inaccurate
11kg HE or SAPHE warhead is basically nothing. It will be used for killing SPAA or IFVs if anything
LOAL F&F capable missiles like Spike have their LOAL capability disabled soooo… why can’t CM-502KG?
A top tier heli in this new meta where SPAA players can launch mad dog F&F missile is going to be useless.
If it has to take 20+ seconds to paint a target with a laser because the missile is as slow as a baseball, then idk what reason Gaijin wants to let China have their CM-502KG.
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So now our only save and grace is the CM’s saying one thing and the devs doing it anyways… wouldn’t be the first time this happens…
Well maybe they’ll add the Firesnake rockets
Will other helicopters get armor as new ones?
Why not add an F&F mode-only CM502KG then? Just do what you guys did with the SPIKE that is LOAL capable IRL. Or maybe add the IR seeker F&F Blue Arrow-7 (AKD-10’s export name)?
The range doesn’t mean anything practically in-game, nothing renders properly beyond 15km in GRB and sketchy LOD/terrain glitches are everywhere beyond 10km, it can be easily balanced via changing the locking distance, and it won’t be a game-breaker, at least not something like the KH-38.
There is no real improvement compared to the original Z-10 in its current state except the DIRCM (which isn’t worth the 420,000 + 100,000 RP equipment grind IMO), which would make the helicopter perform extremely lame, and it wouldn’t be an exciting addition especially when there are so many SPAA added alongside in this update.
I personally (and I believe many others) will have 0 interest in buying the heli in advance/ skipping the stock grind using GE, which is a Lose & Lose case scenario for both the revenue and the players.
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Not even 16 rounds of AKD10, if the future cm502 is a piece of garbage, this is naked discrimination.
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They wouldn’t, something is infinitely better than nothing for us Chinese players at this point, we already have the consensus that the game will never be a 100% accurate representation of the real world.
As far as I know, the Russian Kh-38 has a range of 40 km, while the CM502 on the Z-10ME only has a range of 25 km. Therefore, to balance things, the Kh-38 should be removed from Russian fighter jets.
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If the Z-10ME had fire-and-forget missiles, I wouldn’t mind using GE to unlock this helicopter. But as it stands, the Z-10ME still uses outdated weaponry—I don’t even want to research it.
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You know, Chinese players and foreign players often have different views on Chinese vehicles. But this time I am glad to see that we have gained unity in the face of this universally recognized useless heli made by Gaijin.
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I don’t see any needs to grind for this copy paste z-10me which has no fire and forget missiles – cm502, which has been there for 2 years in the file, and z-10me should be able to use it
what’s the point of adding them to the game if I would still play it the way as the old Z-10?
your customer manager says that it will be overpowering.
Remember what else did you guys say that was overpowering?
PL-8B missile and 4 KH29T for JH7A
PL-8B turns out to have exact the same seeker of an R73, and the same air frame of PL-8. Anyone complaining that it is too overpowering in game? no one had ever said that.
4 KH29T will make JH7A too overpowering?
Later you just gave Russian 6 KH38 for su30sm and su34
The dev team seems to consider more about some nation’s ego more than game fair and income
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last time you said PL-8B would be too op in game and affect game balance and now it just doesn’t
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Or about any missile/agm/bomb they added were “too overpowered” lol, typical gaijin moment
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China really need IR weapon its the only nation in game without any IR weapon
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Just adding a radar and jamming system warrants developing a whole new helicopter? If this were a Russian aircraft, a retrofit kit would suffice. Even fitting it with a CM502 missile could pass it off as “new”—don’t argue CM502 is overpowered; you’ve selectively tweaked performance for countless other weapons already. What’s one more exception?Fold it up, no player will waste time on the skin changing helicopter
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Hi Smin, I notice that there is an accepted issue showing a photo taken during the Zhuhai Airshow, in which Z10ME has a “Laser Warning” sign on the DIRCM device, that Mi28MN’s in-game model also has one on its device, indicating that these two Heli’s DIRCMs work similarly. However, the issue pointed out that Z10ME’s Dircm in the last test server could not intercept advanced IR missiles like spikes.
I’m not sure if it is fixed in this test sever, the issue’s status remains “accpeted” but not “fixed”. So I’m here to ask whether the Z10ME’s DIRCM issue is fixed, or is Gaijing planning to fix that during the second test sever?
issue website is shown below:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/pleACFHIHznr
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Russia thunder,LOL
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