Who is stupid enough to fly straight towards spaa unless you caught the spaa off guard. I see experience players in Yak-9K causing around 6-10 kill in GRB. The Yak-9K hits from above tanks is enough to cause ammo detonation or destroy entire verhicles like tankdestroyers or spaa.
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Well it’s still need to lign up for some time and fly straight which makes him an easy target.
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If only one Yak-9K was flying, there would be no problem. However, in reality there are many planes flying and it is impossible to deal with all of them. Besides, if a Yak-9K player wants to avoid being shot down, there is no need to target SPAAs. This is because it is extremely difficult for rank 3 or 4 SPAA to attack fighters flying far away.
Well it matches the price it’s kinda wierd that you going to get equal capabilities for 70 SP agains’t plane that cost 600 SP.
What you mean by flying far away ? Maybe you should start thinking in target choice ? Most of the players need to get 500 m range to hit the target that is quite enough to hit it with AA beside you are console player with autotrack mode.
I 100% agree with the post.!!! Completely over powered for its BR! 45mm stripping through literally everything.!!
Garaunteed nothing will happen! Russian Plane – I wonder why!!!
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I can’t tell if you’re trolling or just stupid. aircraft are far more capable and faster than any AA, can carry bombs and most ground vehicles can’t do much if anything about them.
That being said the yak-9k is so disgustingly overpowered that it epitomises both gaijin’s incredible bias and how shitty they are as a dev. it has a better flight model that fighter aircraft that are higher BRs that it, while also having an armament that can easily destory any ground vehicle. and all of this is the face of all the documentation that that yak-9k in reality handled like a brick, would stall itself if it fired it’s 45mm gun at low-medium speed, that the firing of the gun damaged both the airframe and internal systems and that there is no evidence that an APHE round was ever even issued to the aircraft.
It’s been months and gaijin has done next to nothing to address the problem.
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Are you illitirate ?
I believe it easy to shoot down using SPAA it doesn’t need some kind of fantastic skills it has more predictable flight trajectory than planes carrying bombs.
I believe only problem is between monitor and chair.
At least you inadvertently answered the first question, you don’t seem to be trolling.
Illiterate? No, but you seem to be.
SPAAs before radar have a much harder time shooting down planes than the inverse. Actually, bomb trajectories are more predictable due to their higher BC and lack of deformations due to rifling. more importantly their large explosive payload means you don’t have to hit a target directly.
SPAAs are also generally open topped and without any significant protection for their ammunition storage.
I hope for your sake english isn’t your first language. but you’re right, you do seem to be the problem here.
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I was wondering where you find in my massage you find that ground SPAA is in equal ground with flying plane.
Dude you literally can’t read you answering to something that i didn’t wrote
So You are good in SPAA right? Or You are just saying things that You „belive in”?
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I don’t think shooting down target in 1km radius requires good skill this is pretty trivial task.
So You must have good stats in SPAA then right? Especially at the B.R. around 5.7?
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If it’s played by a certain american main who insists on flying at 300 meter altitude with slow and lumbering speeds and only drops bombs at very swallow angles, certainly.
But how do you shoot down a plane following proper dive-bombing/contested airspace strafing doctrine?
This worked quite well in real life.
It works very well in Il2:GB.
Looking at ULQ_LOVER’s videos with F4U-4B, while not as strictly followed and he does fly low-ish - it works very well in GRB too.
In my experience doing CAS for the D-day Team sim event - it worked quite well with the P51D-5 as well against flak, german SPAA, NPC artillery and player tanks as well.
Did you know the P-51-D5 can basically release bombs at a near-perfect vertical? Most fighters can’t. F4U and hellcat cry if you go for too steep approaches (at least F4U-1 does, and at least when practicing against boats)
Yak-9K can shoot tanks in the same near-perfect vertical.
The above doctrinal images translated to yak-9k in GRB:
- Loiter at 1.5km
- Look for muzzle flash, engine smoke, movement, scouting marker, hit marker
- Fly over target slightly offset so it intersects the inner 1/3 of your wing
- Violently pitch over into 90 degrees while killing engine. Add some rolling and aggressive rudder to avoid SPAA.
- Click target once gun is on point
- Pull out and extend in a straight line at very high speed until out of SPAA range. Ideally, add jinking to throw off lead.
Only chance SPAA is gonna kill you is during step 6 if they happen to sit under your line of egress and ambush you knowing you’re coming.
somewhat related:
Have historical instructional video on how to deal with an air raid while driving shermans in a convoy:
timestamped.
Main goal is to scare off the dive bomber or at least disrupt their approach, not kill them. Fill the air with enough lead in consistent patterns and maybe you land a hit that scores a kill. This requires an entire column of .50 cal SPAA.
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Well resently i have researched Ystervark and Bosvark and on Ystervark i had relativley good amount planes to shoot down and managed to get 2.0 K/D but with Bosvark i had difficulties to meet planes so got 1.4 K/D.
Meeting some one who can accuratley drop a bomb from 3000 ft is a quite rarity in WT but shooting down light frame CAS with a bomb is more difficult than shooting down same frame CAS but only with canons simply because bomber can afford more intricate flight path.
If it doesn’t aware of your presense and if it’s only alone the whole dive moment makes you perfect target both for who you aiming at and anyone who stands nearby in 500 m.
Faster you are and more vertical the dive, the easier it gets. I do admit it’s easier with cockpit view as it lets you use the gunsight to line things up (in german fighters - if target is at the lowest revi tickmark when you release at ~500-550 km/h and 60 degree approach - it WILL go to that tickmark)
I concede that the person defending, if they can raise their gun 60 to 90 degrees - certainly.
However, someone at 500 meters’ distance?
You’re shooting at a plane that starts at 1.5 km altitude and 450 km/h, accelerates rapidly to 500 to 600 km/h and releases ~500 to 900 meters of altitude.
Best case, you’re in the same “plane” as the plane making the dive so it’s just a matter of distance. At lowest release altitude, you’re looking at taking a shot at a 700 meter shot, on the edge of effective gun range for gun SPAA. At highest release altitude it’s over a kilometer long shot which has very low chance of being effective.
Make it so that you’re at a right angle instead of the diving fighter-bomber, and on top of distance you now have additional complexity that requires accounting for the 550 km/h dive speed which is already hard enough at 300 meters in another plane to the point we have designed special aids to assist much less in SPAA which lack the cartwheel sight.
This image assumes ~100-300 meter engagement. Degree corresponds to the “angle off” of the target you’re shooting with 90 degree meaning you’re at a right angle to their direction of travel.
Well same Matsimus video that you provided shows exact scheme of rooftop machineguns shooting zone they not covering some one who diving at them but zones around convoy. But i was more talking about Yak-9K and if CAS with bombs can afford itself intricate flight paths making it less vulerable to cannon armament Yak-9K have to take dive in more predictable trajectory it will be only question of correct speed and distance corrections for SPAA to shoot it down.
Do you snack on paintchips or something? not only did i never say anything about “SPAA is in equal ground with flying plane”, but you have said things that could be interpreted as you saying that “Well it matches the price it’s kinda wierd that you going to get equal capabilities for 70 SP agains’t plane that cost 600 SP.”
I’m starting to think you’re not actually smart enough to understand what anyone is saying.
Really ? What is this then ?