Well it matches the price it’s kinda wierd that you going to get equal capabilities for 70 SP agains’t plane that cost 600 SP.
What you mean by flying far away ? Maybe you should start thinking in target choice ? Most of the players need to get 500 m range to hit the target that is quite enough to hit it with AA beside you are console player with autotrack mode.
I 100% agree with the post.!!! Completely over powered for its BR! 45mm stripping through literally everything.!!
Garaunteed nothing will happen! Russian Plane – I wonder why!!!
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I was wondering where you find in my massage you find that ground SPAA is in equal ground with flying plane.
Dude you literally can’t read you answering to something that i didn’t wrote
So You are good in SPAA right? Or You are just saying things that You „belive in”?
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I don’t think shooting down target in 1km radius requires good skill this is pretty trivial task.
So You must have good stats in SPAA then right? Especially at the B.R. around 5.7?
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If it’s played by a certain american main who insists on flying at 300 meter altitude with slow and lumbering speeds and only drops bombs at very swallow angles, certainly.
But how do you shoot down a plane following proper dive-bombing/contested airspace strafing doctrine?
This worked quite well in real life.
It works very well in Il2:GB.
Looking at ULQ_LOVER’s videos with F4U-4B, while not as strictly followed and he does fly low-ish - it works very well in GRB too.
In my experience doing CAS for the D-day Team sim event - it worked quite well with the P51D-5 as well against flak, german SPAA, NPC artillery and player tanks as well.
Did you know the P-51-D5 can basically release bombs at a near-perfect vertical? Most fighters can’t. F4U and hellcat cry if you go for too steep approaches (at least F4U-1 does, and at least when practicing against boats)
Yak-9K can shoot tanks in the same near-perfect vertical.
The above doctrinal images translated to yak-9k in GRB:
- Loiter at 1.5km
- Look for muzzle flash, engine smoke, movement, scouting marker, hit marker
- Fly over target slightly offset so it intersects the inner 1/3 of your wing
- Violently pitch over into 90 degrees while killing engine. Add some rolling and aggressive rudder to avoid SPAA.
- Click target once gun is on point
- Pull out and extend in a straight line at very high speed until out of SPAA range. Ideally, add jinking to throw off lead.
Only chance SPAA is gonna kill you is during step 6 if they happen to sit under your line of egress and ambush you knowing you’re coming.
somewhat related:
Have historical instructional video on how to deal with an air raid while driving shermans in a convoy:
timestamped.
Main goal is to scare off the dive bomber or at least disrupt their approach, not kill them. Fill the air with enough lead in consistent patterns and maybe you land a hit that scores a kill. This requires an entire column of .50 cal SPAA.
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Well resently i have researched Ystervark and Bosvark and on Ystervark i had relativley good amount planes to shoot down and managed to get 2.0 K/D but with Bosvark i had difficulties to meet planes so got 1.4 K/D.
Meeting some one who can accuratley drop a bomb from 3000 ft is a quite rarity in WT but shooting down light frame CAS with a bomb is more difficult than shooting down same frame CAS but only with canons simply because bomber can afford more intricate flight path.
If it doesn’t aware of your presense and if it’s only alone the whole dive moment makes you perfect target both for who you aiming at and anyone who stands nearby in 500 m.
Faster you are and more vertical the dive, the easier it gets. I do admit it’s easier with cockpit view as it lets you use the gunsight to line things up (in german fighters - if target is at the lowest revi tickmark when you release at ~500-550 km/h and 60 degree approach - it WILL go to that tickmark)
I concede that the person defending, if they can raise their gun 60 to 90 degrees - certainly.
However, someone at 500 meters’ distance?
You’re shooting at a plane that starts at 1.5 km altitude and 450 km/h, accelerates rapidly to 500 to 600 km/h and releases ~500 to 900 meters of altitude.
Best case, you’re in the same “plane” as the plane making the dive so it’s just a matter of distance. At lowest release altitude, you’re looking at taking a shot at a 700 meter shot, on the edge of effective gun range for gun SPAA. At highest release altitude it’s over a kilometer long shot which has very low chance of being effective.
Make it so that you’re at a right angle instead of the diving fighter-bomber, and on top of distance you now have additional complexity that requires accounting for the 550 km/h dive speed which is already hard enough at 300 meters in another plane to the point we have designed special aids to assist much less in SPAA which lack the cartwheel sight.
This image assumes ~100-300 meter engagement. Degree corresponds to the “angle off” of the target you’re shooting with 90 degree meaning you’re at a right angle to their direction of travel.
Well same Matsimus video that you provided shows exact scheme of rooftop machineguns shooting zone they not covering some one who diving at them but zones around convoy. But i was more talking about Yak-9K and if CAS with bombs can afford itself intricate flight paths making it less vulerable to cannon armament Yak-9K have to take dive in more predictable trajectory it will be only question of correct speed and distance corrections for SPAA to shoot it down.
Really ? What is this then ?
Try using your adult words so we can try and understand what you’re trying to say.
Ju 87 accuracy was placing a bomb in a 100x100m square.
So even without any defensive fire the chance of hitting a tank convoy was low.
Add some incoming .50cal fire and pilots most likely can’t focus 100% on a perfect drop, decreasing accuracy.
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cant wait for this thread to get locked as well since you people cannot just not insult eachother
To be honest I wouldn’t mind moving the Yak9K to 5.7 (for ground), in fact I already use it and it’s still pretty competitive, it starts to struggle a bit against the more heavier armoured tanks but it can still pen most of their roofs.
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Whats my fault ? Im replying to him that’s all didn’t insulted him or something
Yak-9K is extremely overpowered as documented in numerous videos if used well if the APHE is historically accurate then move it up in battle rating and any other Yak-9 models. the Yak as has decent manoeuvrability than the Duck however I have the Duck in one of my line-ups and use it at 6.7 Germany, yes I get kills occasionally but the manoeuvrability on it is just the worst, loses energy really easily, fires WILL kill and any other damage will be extremely detrimental. In the Duck unlike the Yak-9, it cannot dogfight easily so cannot counter other CAS. I strongly agree move up the Yak-9 (or any other variants) to a higher BR.
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YAK9 is so disgusting OP - even if you get a shot on it, the rounds just dont fuse. the russian bias in this game is insane,
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That is quite ironic from a person who couldn’t catch the context in text that contains less than 100 words.
Simple play really -!!! Use a cruddy BT5, get some points - use the yak and clock up 9 kills.!!!
Not difficult is it!! Utter crud imo! Why bother with tanks in a tank ground based map!! HMMMMMMMM
T-34s bouncing every single shell and yet !!! YAK comers alongs kills every other versioon in other trees,., YET nearly asll other planes cant pen the top of a T34 for example!!! Its funny how that clear 1 sidedness works, and not just this particular Plane/Tank!"!
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