YaK-9K: Remove it's APHE belt or move it up to 5.7 in GRB

[RunaDacino]

You said you don’t fly the 9k.

I admit I mostly fly it SB, not RB.

However, you say CAP can anhiliate it same as a duck or stuka or similar.

I say no. The yak-9k is a pretty competent aircraft in a dogfight due to its very good roll rate and near-stall controls.

Anecdotal and with SB controls, so no instructor limit -

1. Bf109G10 dives on my Yak-9K while I was looking ahead to scan for hostiles or maybe attack bombers
2. It lands its shots, tearing off half my elevator and horizontal stabilizer. I am now flying a crippled yak-9k
3. I initiate a break turn
4. I begin rolling and pulling as much as I can and rapidly changing the direction of my roll until…
5. and proceed with scuffed rolling scissors after I see him meet my “reversal criteria” (in other words: he’s in a position where he’ll overshoot and travel a longer path than I do)
6. We make a few head-on exchanges trading positions
7. I gain the controlling position and it turns into a rolling two circle fight with my sitting in lag behind the Bf109G14 and gaining angles.
8. Bf109G14 gets third party’d as I start to prepare to shoot. I get third party’d by a zero thinking I’m an american aircraft carrier

The video is posted earlier in this thread. I am not linking it again lest I get flagged for spamming my channel.

Now.

The pilot I fought must suck, right?

Spoiler

Might be a stat-padder. Might be having had a bad day, but they in theory have substantial experience and results to say they’re decent at their plane.

With this in context, are you confident a yak-9k is impotent and bad at defending itself in a dogfight?

I’m just an average pilot with, at the time… around 4-5 hours flying yak-3 and yak-9k put together in SB?
I’m nowhere experienced enough with the Yak-9K to justify that fight as me being capable of pushing it to its performance limits, nor am I generally amazing for it to transfer. I’m average. I could reverse a bf109G14 in a crippled yak-9k.

My yak piloting results

She’s a good plane. She’s not amazing. She’s not a spitfire or a zero or a pyörrömerski or something like that. The 29 ammo does mean you need a high skill floor to do well with her in gaining good shots and prevents you from making snap-shots-of-opportunity like you can with the Mustang Mk Ia or even yak-3.

But she’s not helpless nor defenceless. She puts up one hell of a fight.

Also she’s not better than Bf109G10. If the other pilot extended away, I’d have probably lost after they re-engaged. But she can fight back, and that means she’s a competent plane.

As an aside

@ULQ_LOVER

It is not my favorite vehicle, but as a normal person I have used it before I started talking about it in order to check how good it is and what it is capable of. I propose You should do the same as You will actually be able to understand the vehicle before discussing it.

Literally why I went to fly it in ASB to see how she performs before commenting on its A2A capabilities (I was confident of its A2G capabilities)

@UniqueScorpions

I play on console, it is far harder to be far more accurate with a controller, and before you bring up M&K, that’s just a no. Being generally good at the game, when I test flew the Yak, TU-1, and SU-8 in the past, pretty much only light tanks were super susceptible to the 45mms. (These tanks would die to 20mm as well easily). Mediums could be killed, depending on range and angle. Heavies are generally a long shot.

As for the console part - GSB is my only advice. GSB removes the aiming advantage mouse aim has, but alas rotations mean you only get to fly ever so often.

[BeautifulTai_wan]

If the game was 30x real life speed, then everyone would have a 1/30th the reload time and 30x speed.

Repairs are just a game concession.

The speed of the game is 1x, and repairs are a magic spell your crew casts slowly depending on what is broken.

[FlipAllTheTables]

I guess I should add the line that directly above the quoted segment.

@Hudler

It is balanced, it is fine and it is fun.
If it would be overperforming, it would go up in BR.

[PyroAddict]

@ULQ_LOVER

Sorry but just because someone can’t use vehicle well, doesn’t mean that it is balanced.

It’s fun because that same argument is used by Russian mains (as the one you’re arguing with) to systematically harass other mains into telling them their vehicles should be higher in br, yet when it’s their turn to face a BR raise, they’re skilled as they can and their vehicles can’t ever be at a significant disadvantage cause they suffer, and every single argument you may draw to them to prove otherwise is ‘plain skill issue’.

false flagged by the only player who’s gaslighing.

[Zahltag]

as someone playing all nations most ru vehicles survive a lot more random bs

[UniqueScorpions]

@ULQ_LOVER

@UniqueScorpions

It was your favorite the last time I checked your profile. Roughy when this thread started. Which is suspicious.

And how do You know what my favoutire vehicle is? By what I set on my profile?

The one you set to make it look as if you you played it a lot you mean? Or to further your argument?

@ULQ_LOVER

@UniqueScorpions

• I play on console, it is far harder to be far more accurate with a controller, and before you bring up M&K, that’s just a no. Being generally good at the game, when I test flew the Yak, TU-1, and SU-8 in the past, pretty much only light tanks were super susceptible to the 45mms. (These tanks would die to 20mm as well easily). Mediums could be killed, depending on range and angle. Heavies are generally a long shot.
  I think my favorite kill in my Tu-1 was skipping rounds off the ground beneath a Tiger H1 and blowing it up. (Took 3 rounds to kill his whole crew out of the 10 I fired).

K.

I play on PC and I’m able to eaisly destroy Tiger II H with 45mm gun.

If your suggesting making it harder for pc to aim planes, I’m for it :) after all, it’s not really balanced consoles vs pc.

@ULQ_LOVER

@UniqueScorpions

It wouldn’t give you good data if I, the person with less matches tested that for you with bombs. Because option A: my data grossly out weighs yours, then you could just say I faked it as I assume you would. Option B: since I clearly don’t fly as much as you, the data becomes skewed lower, as you don’t have the same constants. To have actual sufficient data, you need constants, but change the variables.

So You need to trust what I say as I’m more experienced with 45mm and bombs that 45mm is just better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbMw6o_dsM8

Sorry but just because someone can’t use vehicle well, doesn’t mean that it is balanced.

I can’t trust someone whom is biased.

Also, Spookston didn’t actually get 16 kills if you watched the video. He got 6 in one life, respawned and got 4.
If you have ever watched his videos, they all say “broken” “op” etc on all the Russian vehicles.

I’m glad your opinion doesn’t agree with me but your stats do:

Hellcat has a higher K/d, and higher wr, so clearly it proves bombs are more effective, clearly it should go up in br then?

[ULQ_LOVER]

@UniqueScorpions

The one you set to make it look as if you you played it a lot you mean? Or to further your argument?

The only time I had Yak-9UT set on my profile was when I wanted to showcase my stats on it (make a screanshoot of them). It was never my favourite vehicle to begin with but it is amusing that You want to argue what my personal favourite vehicle is.

@UniqueScorpions

If your suggesting making it harder for pc to aim planes, I’m for it :) after all, it’s not really balanced consoles vs pc.

If You want to discuss things, You should reply to what people say, not what You imagine they have said.

@UniqueScorpions

I can’t trust someone whom is biased.

The only one biased here is someone who have played less than 10 battles with something and wants to discuss it

@UniqueScorpions

I’m glad your opinion doesn’t agree with me but your stats do

That was cute but not really.

Compare the number of battles and we can talk then. Not to mention that W/R has nothing to do with how well vehicle performs.

Not to mention that at that B.R., 12.7mm on hellcat can destroy a lot of tanks and that is how I got such a good K/D.

Thanks for using that as another example that shows that bombs are not everything

[Hudler]

Again, thanks for confirming i was right all along.

[KillaKiwi]

You said it is balanced and fine.
Saying if it wasn’t, it would go up in BR.
It goes up in BR and you say you were right.
Right about what?
That it would go up in BR if it was overperforming? Yes, but you only said that to strenghten your argument that it’s balanced at 4.3, which, as it turns out, it’s not.

So you are not right about anything.

[Hudler]

Yes, i was right.

I think it is fine.

And if it would be overperforming it would go up in BR.

Gaijin checked stats, and based on stats (unlike you all who based all this on your feelings) they put it up in BR. Simple as that.

So yeah, i was right.

Edit: i don’t really know why you dwell so much on such simple things

[UniqueScorpions]

@ULQ_LOVER

Not to mention that at that B.R., 12.7mm on hellcat can destroy a lot of tanks and that is how I got such a good K/D.

Can you prove this?

[ULQ_LOVER]

That 12.7mm can destroy tanks? You can check that in game

[MaxRocktanski]

But, the P63 lacks the Yak 9 performance and speed. The Yak 9 consistently beats a P63 in a one-on-one fight. The P63 also lacks the ability to withstand damage - any hit at all sets the wing fuel tanks on fire, which means you’re about the have that wing snap off, which means any hit equals a crashed P63.

[RunaDacino]

@UniqueScorpions

If your suggesting making it harder for pc to aim planes, I’m for it :) after all, it’s not really balanced consoles vs pc.

Again, SB ensures console and PC have the same aiming potential, at least for planes. Tanks remain tanks.

GSB really could use improvements in matchmaker. I advise trying to make waves and push for it. Maybe one day we get critical mass.

Also no response to refutation that Yak-9k cannot fight other planes? Not a claim that “yak9k is OP and dominates A2A”, claim that “Yak9K is capable of defending itself using the right tactics and maneuvers even while disdadvantaged and damaged” which refutes that “yak9K loses against CAP no matter what.”

[UniqueScorpions]

@ULQ_LOVER

Not to mention that at that B.R., 12.7mm on hellcat can destroy a lot of tanks and that is how I got such a good K/D.

@ULQ_LOVER

That 12.7mm can destroy tanks? You can check that in game

This is YOUR claim, back it up. Don’t be scared now.

[UniqueScorpions]

I never said the Yak 9K couldn’t fight planes, and yes it’s a better turn fighter than energy fighter.

But the lack of people who can play it effectively is why I don’t get why it’s so hated. There’s maybe 3-4% of the whole player base whom are effective with it.

For example, playing my Tiger H1 yesterday, I got shot by 2-3 Yak-9ks. They fired more than 20 rounds. Only one pen’d and killed the commander, and injured the loader.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@UniqueScorpions

This is YOUR claim, back it up. Don’t be scared now.

Scared of what?

12.7mm are quite capable at the B.R. of Hellcat but again this is not what the topic is about.

Against Pz IV:

Spoiler

Against Stugs:

Spoiler

Against T-34

Spoiler

And this are only few examples, You can check all of them in the game. There is no point for me to upload all the vehicles that can be destroyed as You can look them up in the game not to mention that it is a topic about Yak-9

@UniqueScorpions

But the lack of people who can play it effectively is why I don’t get why it’s so hated.

Just because people can’t use it doesn’t mean that it is balanced.

[UniqueScorpions]

So I guess the hellcat better go up in br then too eh?

It’s got more than capable guns according to you, and bombs. Super under br’d 😂

[ULQ_LOVER]

In GRB? Of course it could go up, if You want to discuss it make a topic about it and don’t destroy other topics

[RunaDacino]

@UniqueScorpions

But the lack of people who can play it effectively is why I don’t get why it’s so hated. There’s maybe 3-4% of the whole player base whom are effective with it.

Vehicles must be judged by players who have reached their skillfloor/have obtained a minimum competence with them.

Self-disparagement:
Example of this is if you look at my ASB/GSB results in spitfires. I suck at them. I cannot control them effectively without dedicating like 75% of my attention to fighting the plane. You should ignore my performance when it comes to judging the effectiveness of spitfires.

Just because I suck at spitfire does not mean the spitfires aren’t effective aircraft.

@UniqueScorpions

So I guess the hellcat better go up in br then too eh?

Yes, in GRB/GSB it could. Same goes for 4B. Normal -4 is prolly fine at GSB at 5.3, but could go up in GRB.

Also Hellcat is another example of a plane with a high skill floor. It’s a pretty good dogfighter, just needs adaption and mindset to pull it off.