Talking from an SB perspective but you have to fight them above 15kft and then they’re not bad to deal with at all. Played against someone last night who was 15:2 in the Yak-3U and my Spitfire XIV could more or less manhandle him. Plus if the Yak gets on your tail you have more than enough room to dive away.
3e should be same BR as 3, so it should go to 4.7.
I say it as 3e owner.
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Its worse than yak-3 at a higher br bro
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This is more due to sim players lack of skill than anything else.
Oh yes I’m sure… the chap that was 12 kills to 2x deaths on the game mode without radar and hand holding instructor are definitely signs of a lack of skill.
Sim is only game mode where you get to willingly choose whether or not to up tier of down tier yourself. Getting decent KD in sim also isn’t hard. Most of the players are outright bad.
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I’m going to have to strongly disagree with you there. Without starting a willy waving contest the flying dynamics are considerably more in depth with a much higher skill level than RB. As mentioned SB has no radar and without sounding condescending you’re not flying the aircraft in RB, you have no torque effects, the instructor mitigates battle damage and you cannot stall.
The game is vastly simplified in RB. Again to reiterate the player I was against was over a double ace in a single match. So even if we somehow agreed all Simulator players are bad somehow he clearly wasn’t. Yet above 15,000ft me in my Spitfire XIV managed to not just get an energy and altitude advantage but I even extended my advantage whilst making slashing attacks against him.
To clarify I’m not defending the Yak-3U’s BR as it should go up but the point I’m making is that if you fight him where he’s dangerous you are destined to fail. Climb and make him fight your fight. This goes for almost all Yaks.
It’s the same flight model at a higher BR but three 20mm cannons.
4.3 (or even 4.0) is much more favorable but 4.7 or 5.0 isn’t a big deal.
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Its decently heavier and thus more sluggish.
They have the exact same weight
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This really doesn’t matter. If anything it makes sim easier for even a halfway experienced player to do well when you consider most people you meet will flat spin their plane if pressured. I can commonly win fights against planes in sim that are an immediate loss in RB just due to control issues.
Okay and? I have had multiple double or triple aces in sim. This isn’t an outright testament to skill in a game mode where you can pick your battles and pick exactly who you play against. In fact sim is the only game mode where you will see people actively quit playing to deliberately avoid experienced players and deliberately look for games where they can easily farm noobs.
Sitting at 15,000 feet on MK.14 Spitfire will not work against equally experienced Yak-3U player. Sim is also a game mode where you can afford to play highly passively because your team mates respawn and there is almost never 32 people on the map at one time. The whole concept of match presence in SIM is far different than Air RB.
Only difference between a yak-3 and yak-3P are the armament:
Yak-3 → x2 12.7mil Berenzin UBS (996 shots/min firerate and 300 rounds total) + 1x 20mil ShVAK (800 shots/min firerate and 120 rounds)
Yak-3P → x2 20mil B-20S (750 shots/min firerate and 260 rounds total) + 1x 20mil B-20M cannon (800 shots/min and 120 rounds)
Mass (2.38 t empty) and engine (Klimov VK-105PF) are the same.
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Man, don’t forget, this topic is for Russia-haters. Russia-haters don’t want to hear that K-4 climbs better than 3U, especially after 3600m, and MUCH better after 4500m. They don’t want to hear that G-2 climbs better than Yak-3, and will always be higher than Yak-3, if used properly. They don’t want to hear about any other advantages of any other planes @ the same BR, they just want Yak-3s BR to BE UP, because they JUST WANT IT.
Any bullshit is used as a “proof” of Yak-3s OPness. Look at these… hmm… not-very-honest people that say something like “Yak-3 will be always higher”… Not the single Russia-hater declined this bullshit (but, as you know, it’s 100% bullshit), but they put “likes” to each other…
9U is more dangerous in right hands than 3, but… what does it matter if “Yak-3/3U is OP” statement is just used to hate?
Maybe they want to either see the Yaks humiliated or that they don’t exist at all…
Seems like Gaijins have heard their whining and followed their lead… Well, that’s the culture of forums - crowds of whiners win!
The Yak-3U outclimbs the K-4 at low altitudes, y’know what the Yak-3U does? It makes a ginormous lead the K-4 will need to then cross before opperating at an altitude where it can actually be somewhat offensive, everything else ends with the yak-3U in complete control.
I am no “Russia Hater”, if Russia has 3 or more undertiered planes compared to everybody, Russia will be mentioned more, are there actual false positives, YES, does it nullify the other positives, NO.
Yes, if the yak-3 commits early, which a lot of russian yak-3 players do, french yak players are your plane being played correctly and not jumping on the first red blob of usernames you see. Maybe thats why the 4.3 yak-3 went up, France players showed that IT IS NOT 4.3 material. Just compare the winrates between them, mr. french fry got half the games played, yet it makes wrecks in stats.
Bring them up, oh let me guess, DIVE SPEED and STRAIGHT LINE SPEED.
You know what advantages holds the Yak-3 at 4.3 on average?
Above average climbrate, above average rollrate, above average speed, above average turning performance, excellent acceleration, excellent energy preservation, excellent low speed nose authority, nose mounted armament, Full API-T 12.7 belts, full 20mil explosive belts.
Only real disadvantages are rip speed and energy problems at +3.5km altitude.
Tell me, did you ever managed to convince a yak-3 to follow you into high altitude? No.
What did you do when the dove away from a yak-3? Ended in a lower altitude, outperfomed even harder.
9U is 4.7 and it has gone there because it is better at 5km of altitude thanks to the VK-107A engine, but down low the yak-3 still holds the advantage. Is the 9U bad? No. Its incredible, but balanced, same with the Yak-9P, despite being the same plane with heavier and with funny nose armament options.
In fact, your previous example of the G-2 actually goes in the pipeline, the G-2 supposedly has a better engine than the F-4 but it is slighly heavier and turns a little worse, the thing is, it only makes a significant perfomance upgrade +6km of altitude.
Blame france players, the only yak that went up was the yak that they had access too.
Because sadly enough, everyone like to dump the “USA players are bad”, but that doesn’t exclude ME (A Germany main) and YOU (A Russia main). Everyone can be dogwater at this game, Specially people who play one of the “Big 3”, specially if they only play 1 nation, since then, they will get to a high rank with less experience, than someone who jumped from nation to nation and got a more clear picture of it’s opponents.
Yak-3 has been taken care of . Unless you want it to be 5.0, Yak-3P is right there if you want, its literally just a carbon copy with 2 20mils instead of 2 50cals.
Does Russia have bad planes? Yes, I-16 type 27 is one for sure, so is the Yak-9T, Pe-8, Yak-15P / yak-15 which the later is now going up despite being a pretty mid jet.
Does USA have undertiered planes? Hell yeah, P-51H, P-47 D-28, F4U-1A, P-39, P-63A-5 and I can go on and on.
Does Germany have undertiered planes? Yes, Do-335 A-1, He-100 D-1, Ju-88 A-1, Bf-109 F-1, Me 262 A-1/U4.
They are everywhere, its a matter of perspective.
The problem now is that the other 5.7 menace, the Spitfire Lf Mk.IX is moving up, along with the late A6M family, Fw-190 A-8 family, a chunk of the G.55 family and the Re.2005s.
Yak-3U will have more easy prey it easily outperforms and the other planes that kept it in check are going up. It has been completely skipped over.
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The simplification works in the favor of consistency. It’s virtually impossible to sneak up on someone, you can’t fool them with different country roundels, even your hardware alone can make a huge difference in how you control your plane, not to mention the ability to depart from controlled flight while above stall speed. You also know the exact distance to the enemy.
Going 12:2 in Sim in such a plane is not particularly hard, and if the enemy team lacks experienced players you can just keep ‘farming’ as they respawn.
There would be no hate if their planes received appropriately higher BRs. Same way people hated (and still justifiably hate) the F8U-2.
I see no “hate threads” for balanced aircraft even if they’re russian.
It better climb like that, because that is the K-4’s only advantage.
Yak-3 is also more maneuverable, overheats less, rolls better, and is also faster at low-medium altitudes. G-2 is worse than F-4 and due to Instructor nerfing late 109s, both are less maneuverable than the Yak-3 (in Sim the F-4 is at least equal, if not better).
I already know about these advantages and so do most in this thread. The issue is that the 3U especially has far more advantages than disadvantages, and is obviously OP to anyone that can read and/or has eyes.
Now go ahead and tell me exactly why the 3U deserves to be the same BR as the N1K1-J, against which it is better at EVERYTHING.
Cool, and until the very last BR changes it was placed higher than Yak-3. 9Us are much rarer too, but maybe that will change soon. Then again the VK107 planes overheat quite badly so it’s probably not a big issue.
You can have Yaks that are still strong but at fair BRs, unlike the 3U and 3(e). The balanced planes are rarely, if ever mentioned.
I want them to move this thing up solely to stop the spread of [widely-known ace pilot] larpers who sit 2km above and behind you all game, and refuse to do anything ever unless you basically give them a free kill
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lie (yak3 has 26,6m/s g2 has 24.7m/s)
lie
lie (yak3u has 34,2m/s while k4 has 29,5m/s)(at least on the deck)
why do you lie all the time?
tell me
or if you think youre rlly in the right a tip for you
if nearly everyone disagrees with you you may be wrong
Does it actually climb that well? The only prop I’ve had break 30 m/s was an LF Mk 9, and that was only for a short time. I do know that the K-4 can sustain very high climb rates for longer than most other planes too.
Edit: I have tested and the yak-3U can sustain 30+ m/s, but only below 1500m, but after that it experiences a constant HP drop off, and a 109 K-4 will climb faster above roughly 2.5-3 km. The LF mk. 9 can sustain 30+ m/s below 2 km, but it has a higher overall climbrate than the Yak-3 above 2.5 km.
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Time is in seconds. Yak-3U beats Bf.109 K-4 to 6000m when both start from the runway. LF IX time to climb to 6km will be basically the same as Yak-3U or VK-107. These are relatively minor differences when averaged over time to that specific distance.
Yak-3U is faster at sea level than most planes in the same battle rating. Much better accelerating as well.
It’s speed and acceleration at high altitude (6000m) also isn’t particularly bad. It is basically on-par with Ki-84 and slightly worse or better than Mk.22 Spitfire depending on how far out you want to measure it.
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Game mode where one side usually contains more experienced players working in voice channel for pub stomp (red) and where good KD players (green) will not play against them and will opt to go find another lobby where they can stomp. Fraud game mode tbh.
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I figured that was the case, but I knew it wasn’t a difference of 5+ m/s of average climbrate. And obviously the Yak3U and Vk-107 should go to 6.0 if that’s where the LF Mk.9 is going to be.
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