Yak-141 should have his real payload

the whole lift fan deal is pretty distinct though

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proof?

FA2 was. Or at the very least cleared to use them, may not have done in peace time but was an 8 year overlap between ASRAAM entering service and FA2 retirement and Aim-9 and ASRAAM were intercompatible.

100% yes, the F35s layout would make a harrier style VTOL impossible with only one propulsion engine. Im not claiming its the same system but F35 has its roots in knowledge from rolls royce and BAE in their development of harrier

@Mytho-GR1 iirc has the source for that, but yeah, Roll Royce had a proposed engine for it that was more powerful or something if i remember right.

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I really hope we dont get an ASRAAM capable FA2 that airframe already sucks at 13.0

probably was due to reliability/maturity of the tech since a higher performing GE engine was in the running too, but they picked the PW since its tech was proven on the F-22

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Yeah, it would be too much.

F3 Late maybe, Gr9A could be fun, Gr4 maybe. Typhoon definetly. But yeah, FA2, if anything, it needs to be 12.7 at the moment

I suspect it was probably more of a “US built” engine rather than anything overly meaningful like performance, maintenance or reliability.

Its not uncommon for that to happen.

idk, BAE Systems main contribution was the EW suite iirc, which has its roots in the LM Sanders AN/ALR-94

no, it was picked for reliability/proven tech, same thing happened before with the YF120 engine for F-22

USMC AV-8B already had a rolls-royce engine in it so i dont think they would care if rolls royce made the engine again

doesnt mean they werent giving pointers in how to make something work better. BAE is everywhere in the British and American military industries and have the knowhow under their belt to aide everyone else when needed

BAE provided all the research from the Harrier development iirc since they purchased all that data when they acquired Hawker-Siddley.

That research was used for a lot of the foundation for the VTOL control systems

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idk, reading up on it more it looks like the VTOL stuff came from an earlier program where LM, MD, and Boeing all worked on it, (originally LM concept)

like i said earlier, BAE does avionics and i think some airframe stuff for the F-35

I’m all for it. As along as the F-14D can get Aim-120s and Aim-9X then.

Here is the funny part. Mig-29G from Germany has R-73. The Main producer Country in game URSS/Russia have oldest previous generation R-60M only as dogfighting missile in Yak-141 and also in Mig-29

Doesn’t make sense!!

This is because when it was added, It was deemed the R-73 was too strong, but R-60M + R-27R wasnt considered strong enough to compete with the F-16 with 9Ls coming in the same update. So it got R-27ERs that it never used for balancing reasons. (personally I would have prefered the R-73s, fighting the Mig-29s firing R-27ERs sucked) It probably could and should loose the R-27ERs and gain R-73s instead now that IRCCM has been established in game.

But loadouts are always a balancing decision and are rarely historically accurate

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If we’re going to have this aircraft ingame at all, I don’t see why it can’t have the R-77 and R-73 missiles.

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No, it should stay 12.7 where it’s competitive.
It already has a historical loadout.

Play the SMT if you want BVR.

@Te_Pille
War Thunder’s Yak-141 is upgraded compared to its IRL counterpart.

Lockheed Martin. The financial reports are public knowledge.
On top of all that the Yak-141’s center of mass and VTOL information was directly used for the R&D of F-35B. Hence when it uses a lifting fan.

@BasherBenDawg8
No, stop trying to ruin the Yak-141’s BR just cause you don’t like facing it.

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Bait used to be believable.
It wouldn’t be “ruined” if it got Thrust-Vectoring IRCCM AAMs and ARH AAMs. Honestly R-73s would be absolutely amazing on this platform given the aircraft can thrust vector itself… that would be quite fun to see now that I think about it…

As for the BR, it would be far from “ruined”. It faces ARH regularly anyway, and giving it a standoff AAM would allow it to hold its own relatively easily. It’s not going to be ruined, it’s still going to be very much viable at 13.0-13.3 should it receive these two missiles it was planned to use. Not to mention should R-77s receive their much needed drag buff it would be even more viable (but they’re still 50Gs regardless and have spectacular close range performance with their tight turning circle).