Yak 9 that cant even turnfight a Bf 109 sits at 3.0, correct.
them have lower BR because they are one of the least fast planes at the rank. They turnfight well but are not best planes out there tho.
Well, does it need to?
It has a nose mounted Berezin and a ShVAK so a much more effective armament.
It can quite easily hit enemies that the Bf 109 wouldn’t be able to hit and it carries more ammo as the Bf 109 only has 60rds per gun.
Bf 109 has better climb and turn but not by much.
Bf 109s and Spitfires also overheat very easily.
Pretty sure the Yak has better energy retention and can run from both.
So in that sense the Yak-9 is more effective against lower BR opponents because the performance is good enough while the armament is practically unmatched.
A P-39 might outperform it but it lacks the lethal armament to make the same impact.
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Yak 9p is fine too
I was talking about Yaks with 20 mm ShVaks - it looks like that i was not precise enough😉
Again, the 20 mm makes the difference, that’s also why i excluded the Yak-3P at 5.0. These 37 or 45 mm versions are not relevant in this context.
Yeah - the 20 mm makes the difference👍
I am not sure if you got the underlying message:
The OP damage output of a single centralized 20mm is especially for average players a massive advantage - rookie players prefer head-ons and the 20 mm ShVak is extremely easy to aim.
So whilst experienced players can avoid head-ons - the numbers game in every Air RB match is highly affected by the outcome of these head-ons.
In addition to that: The FM of certain USSR fighters looks way more suited to be flown with Mouse aim (with instructor) as the instructor limits aircraft from other nations way more.
The term “crazily better” is highly subjective.
Experienced players can play around the known weaknesses of B-239s or Ki-43s & Ki-44s which are mainly centered around top speed at various altitudes - but the teamfights of less experienced teammates on both teams are often decided in plain stupid head-ons in which the 20 mm Shvak is able to kill these adversaries with a single hit.
So i recommend to look at this topic from a way more holistic pov: Most players are way less experienced than you and the justification of the low BRs vanished with the ShVak buff.
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I remembered this thread as i had today a very long fight with a 2.3 Yak-1 in a 3.3 F6F-5.
I stated earlier in this thread:
This means that the AoA restrictions of fighters using mouse aim & instructor are often detrimental for actual turn performance., but some fighters are allowed to have quite impressive agility and turn even with mouse aim and instructor (like Yaks) whilst others have a severe disadvantage with that.
So if two players using mouse aim meet each other the plane with less AoA limitations will win a turnfight.
In this replay (skip to ~ 16 minutes):
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…you see met getting caught low and slow in my Hellcat.
The fellow Yak-1 player could not use his superior Power-to-Weight ratio and his energy advantage - he saw a Hellcat as easy prey and started a low alt turnfight. Without the AoA limitations of the instructor (i use a HOTAS and fly with disabled instructor) the Hellcat is able to outturn any Yak - including Yak-3s.
I had no ammo 😎, reversed his dive attack and planted my Hellcat at his six - from ~ 17:00 until ~ 21:30 - he died as he killed his engine in his attempts to get away from me. The replay is available until tomorrow morning - as soon as the new update is released older replays won’t work.
Because it is a Russian plane, if it were an Italian plane they would have immediately placed it at BR 3.0
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In SB, when I’m using the Bf 109 E-4 and just can’t beat a particular Yak-3 player no matter what, I’ve started switching to the German ✚Yak-1B to counter them. And honestly, I end up winning so easily every time that it completely blows my mind lol.
Wait a minute you can change vehicle in sim?
Yeah, I mean C.202 EC is same BR as pay2winnin’s Yak-3, LMAO.
Edit: Is C.202 EC better than Yak-1b or even Yak-1 at anything but wing rip speed or ammo count? Because firepower-wise I’ll take 1 Shvak over 2xMG151/20 and same goes for Berezin or Shkas vs Breda.
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Sorry for not making that clear, I’m talking about EC.
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My point is, Yak-1 is BETTER than C.202 EC in most metrics dude.
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Just a testimony for how all Italian planes with some decent firepower are all overtiered.
I mean the C. 202 EC is also at the same BR as the Fw 190 A-4.
That’s a Bf 109 F-2 engine with two MG 151/20 gun pods at 4.0.
Slower than the 3.0 plane and even bad power/weight.
But the Yak-9T is also 4.0 with the same performance as the Yak-9 at 3.0 while the Yak-1 at 2.3 isn’t much worse than the Yak-9 at 3.0.
Since ShVAKs have basically god like firepower, the secondary armament is pretty much irrelavant.
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Sorry, my fault, English isn’t my first language, I misread your message.
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its not even the same its notieably worse due to the heavier nose from the 45mm 200kg so from an empty mass of 2350 to 2550 its really noticeable
all lower brs are kinda scuffed look at the a6m2n wich is you smack the bontoon off wich isnt hard is just a a6m2 from 3.7 at 2.3 the other from that folder goes too.
early corsairs, p39n/q and others
how do we have a corsair at 2.7 bro? What biblical feat did america mains pull before I started war thunder?
its called new players new player react turn fight turn fight with bnz monster mean you die same goes for p39n tho it also has kinda wonky weaponry to dealwith tho makes it fun imo
Yes, the Yaks are praised for their maneuverability. They lack top speed, they are fragile with high speed.
But they also have the WEP mode. Yak`s dont have any at least until like, 5.0?
I disagree. The boom-and-zoom planes at lower BRs arent effective at all
all YAKs wield 20mm SHVAKs except those who wield 37 and 45mms
And only at 2.3 is YaK-1
So its a player issue, not a plane?
I dont see why should the plane that has worse characteristics sit higher because of classic german skill issue.
Its easy enough to turn away from head-on with a single cannon that doesnt even have that much of a good ballistics.
And any 20mil with HEs does oneshots there. Again if anything the P-400 has better cannon, also nose mounted but with better ballistics allowing further shots. Sits 2.0 being same fast as YaK-1 and having additional 2x12.7 while YaK is left with 7/62s
Early YaKs are perfectly balanced, if not underperforming :/
I dont think so. Those planes are objectively better as they dont fall behind much, easilly outturn even some biplanes, and have the MGs which shread with a little less damage than 20mils.