You know what.
You’re right, got that accustomed to having it that I completely forgot the other SPAA don’t get AHEAD ammunition.
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just for clarities sake for any following persons.
The gepard and the other clones, never used AHEAD, so they cant receive it, they physicaly are unable to programm the ammunition.
The Gepard1a2 that being said is missing its main ammunition the FAPDS that being said
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Would be nice to get it man TBH im working on SPAA’s for most nations now.
- they can act as spaa WITHOUT the ap ammo. In fact they’d be better spaa without the ap ammo because they would be lower BR and face easier CAS targets.
- IT’S A GAME. Every single thing from real life does NOT need to be included. Tiger IIs never faced cold-war light tanks with HEATFS in real life but they do in WT.
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thats assuming HE damage actualy works, but it seems to turn on or off every update, so they do need non HE rounds so they can do some damage when HE isnt working
One belt option has API-T/API-T/API-T/HEI-T
only 1 in 4 is HEI-T. Don’t see how the APDS belt helps kill CAS more than the API-T belt.
Lemme tell you a secret.
The I stands for incendirary.
You cant remove then. They are used for the easier for easier hits as well trough the faster velocity. Like i said. Its the whole point the gepard1a2 even happend.
People are already crying about gepard anti air capabilities as well, they wont go down just cause u remove an ammunition type.
They are good where they are
We need ground battles and mixed battles. SPAA can only play in mixed battles
We don’t need to further split the playerbase, no.
Cause the majority wouldnt play mixed anymore 😂
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This is a very large assumption with no real basis. Alas this isn’t a cas whining thread.
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Fun fact, one of the primary upgrades during the NDV to 1A2 was the use of new V0 measuring-coils, which could measure muzzle velocities of up to ~1500m/s.
This was done specifically for the FAPDS (DM 33) ammunition, which was to replace all other types available/used at that time;
35 x 228 mm MSD Type HEI [DM 21]
35 x 228 mm MLD Type HE-T [DM 31]
35 x 228 mm PLD Type APHEI-T [DM 13 A1]
I’m not sure whether the TLD Type APDS-T [DM 23] was to be replaced aswell, I only know that oerlikon also offered 35 x 228 APFSDS-T as alternative.
From what I can tell, the FAPDS thingy never really went anywhere, or atleast didnt entirely replace the other types.
Well HE was still in storage and now went in production for Ukrain iirc. I suppose its just far cheaper against drones and such.
DM 31 was still in storage and Rheinmetall restarted the production of the ammo after moving the plant from Switzerland to germany.
The first ammo-delivery of 35x228 ammunition consisted of;
100.000x HE-T [DM 31]
100.000x APDS-T [DM 23]
Basically all the vehicles of that kind perform too good against hard targets.
not just the one you listed but others to like the Chieftan marksman, falcon, za-35, praga, zsu-57, are so overpowered for no reason ive been penned by falcons frontally while I was in a patton, there’s no reason they should be this powerful knowing gaijin has nerfed other tanks for no reason like the m26 pershing it was amazing at 6.3 and you had a good lineup in that B.R range to. My hate for spaa has gotten so bad that every time I kill one I mock them in chat
Seems like a sad life
(Sorry I just jumped into this topic from above). PRTL or Belgian Gepard for France when!!! God the French SPAA line is so awful.
OK Captain obvious, I already know what “I” stands for. Your answer to my post makes zero sense for the following reasons…
This topic is about the APDS anti-tank capability. Nothing to do with issues on anti-air.
There are no “I” rounds in the APDS belt.
The belt (DM13) I mention above your response to me contains both AP-I and HE-I. That mixed belt can be used against ground units or, in a pinch, air units.
The DM11A1 belt also has “I” rounds. No one is talking about removing the “I” rounds.
Of course the BR would be tweaked if the APDS was removed. That belt gives weight to the final BR rating. Why do you think the Falcon BR was raised recently? because it was performing too well against air units?
I will also add my two cents on the matter at hand, and I will state that this issue is not just one that sits with the XM246 & Gepard, but all of the 35mm SPAA’s in general. Particularly those within a BR range that can see unstabilized AFV’s.
The only 35mm vehicle I can kind of see an argument for is the Chieftain Marksman, as it it fat, slow, and has the most god-awful loud engine whine known to existence that proclaims its arrival 50 years before it rounds a corner. It is one of the very few vehicles in the British TT I have not spaded up to 10.0(still working on those vehicles above that BR) and plan not to simply because it is worse in every way to the ZA-35 except in hull armor.
That being said, so as to not risk myself sounding biased as I am currently a British main, the Chieftain Marksman should have its APHE greatly reduced, if not flat out removed, just like any other 35mm SPAA that hits an cupola/optic to nuke the crew. Or they should all at least be moved up in BR so as not to engage with unstabilized AFV’s that simply do not have the reaction time to deal with them. Moving them up is the worse option, as that leaves an even larger gap between SPAA in lineups that do desperately need good anti-CAS capabilities.
As it stands, if you are in a slow-firing AFV your best chance is that your first shot had better hit, and it had better work. That doesn’t always happen thanks to 500% booster moments. And that one chance is almost always all you get, because 1,100rpm of cupola/optic abusing APHE fury is coming your way.
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