the thing about the PL-5EII is does china operate it? Its an export missile so im not sure because china doesnt operate the PL-9 which is also meant for export but maybe the PL-5EII is different? Is there any evidence china operates PL-5EIIs?
Dunno but jh7s reported carry pl5s to this day which would suggest they use the pl5eii. I dont recall pl5c even being all aspect from any sources. The chinese missile thread needs to be updated then as it claims pl5b and c are almost identical, then pl5e introducing all aspect, then pl5eii with improved seeker and pl5de with further refinements to the seeker and electronics
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Yes. We’ve even seen them on JH-7A’s before. The thing is the PL-5 program is a bit wonky. The Pl-5C “technically” doesn’t exist from what I’ve read. It’s always been ‘E’ upgrade program. Nor was this program dedicated to export. The EII is a further improvement of this program adding in a 4 element seeker.
Pl-9’s is a contested issue. Two main lines of thought: 1) it was a program to get around not being able to export Pl-8’s and they only intended it to be exported or 2) it was a separate program based off the Pl-8 seeker, Magic 1 body, and some tech from the Pl-5.
As for which is correct, only the Chinese know, but judging from their missile development history, I lean in favor of 2. The performance gain must’ve been minimal not to justify replacing Pl-8B’s with the Pl-9 variants and Pl-10’s looked more promising, thus Pl-9’s ended up as an export product.
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Does anyone have any evidence that the JH-7A can carry PL-9s? I’ve heard the claim made, and if this plane ends up going up due too improved ground weapons, which is likely, then I might predict it could receive improved weapons such as the PL-9 if possible. Otherwise the PL-9 is an indicator that another Chinese jet is coming such as the JF-17(yes I know technically export but so is the MBT-2000)
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Honestly I’d love to see a Pakistani subtree in the Chinese tech tree could hold some cool stuff like a J-6 with AIM-9Ps, maybe some TT variation of the A-5C, a Mirage III/5 modification, and ofc the JF-17
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Yeah, Pakistan is one of the few countries in the game that china could get as a sub tree other than …ya know, North Korea.
Problem is, Pakistan only has so many unique options too offer, with many if it’s vehicles just being export versions of tanks and planes already in game.
For Example, we could get the Pakistani VT-4 tank, but China was already on track too get it(it was found in the files) and like the MBT-2000, it wouldn’t even need too be attributed too an export nation.
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not only export, PL9C is the self use
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Would you mind linking the sources
So when did they nerf the hell out of the PL5Bs range? The B and C are still fast but GJ seems to cut range down to 2km chase and it falls out of the sky now… PL5B history in WT went from 6km in a chase and flew at hypersonic speeds, but les maneuverable than the aim9b at release.
Then was remodeled to still have good range in a chase up to 3.5km range and had the maneuverability of an Aim9J. It was great.
Remodeled once more but now the only thing changed was another reduction in range to 2km.
That is lame, the PL5B is now longer uniquely good. Neither is the C…
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Unfortunately after digging I couldn’t find hard confrontation. I had heard from someone else on the forums that the Nigerian PL-9 was in use on Nigerian JF-17’s but I couldn’t find any hard proof of that. However Nigerian certainly does losses PL-9C’s and it stands too reason that the JF-17 could use them since its fit larger missles on its outer wing pylons
I still have yet too see any direct information that the PL-9 has been used in the JH-7A but I don’t see any reason why it couldn’t
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Looks like PL-9s were only used on export J-7s and FTC-2000
Which is strange too me because it then would lead me too believe that the PL-9 is a sign that something like the JL-9 is coming too the game, since there seem too be only so many jets that actually use this missle with hard evidence
But I’m holding out hope that Gajjin might give it too a more capable Chinese jet that could potentially carry it, such as the JH-7A in game…
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I doubt they would give the JH-7A the Pl-9. I was digging around trying to see if it could mount it, which they never did mount one on it but it the missile is the same diameter as the Pl-8 and appears to use the same mounts as it. But the reason I doubt we’ll get it on this plane is because the achievements made in the Pl-9 program were put to use and made the Pl-8B. The missile frames are very similar, with the 9 giving very slightly more deltaV but the big development out of it was the IRCCM capabilities and they used it to make the Pl-8B’s. So an early Pl-9 would be equal to the Pl-8 we have in game and the later Pl-9’s would be equal to the Pl-8B. I’d still rather get the Pl-5EII’s instead, should be like an Aim-9M and R-73 were combined.
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J11 can use PL9C too
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Yes.Many chinese jets can use them.It’s just hard to remember all of them
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😂true dude
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PL-9 maybe to be used for new premium vehicles？current performance of J-7D is not satisfactory
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they never changed PL-5’s specifically but rather with the induced drag changes from the start of the year basically all short burn missiles are much more affected by the slightest course adjustments
Maybeee. Problem is there were only two PL-9’s in the file, the PL-9n which might just be the default version model, and the Pl-9C, which should be at R-73/Aim-9L levels of flair resistance. Obviously giving the J-7D that kind of missle would make it a bit too good at its Br, dramatically so infact. So unless there’s a version of the PL-9 that doesn’t have the same seeker as the C model, then I doubt we’ll ever see them. Plus at that point they might as well add the PL-5EII
Yeah if the JH-7 moved too 11.7, and got the PL-5EII and the PL-8B, that would be fantastic in my eyes, so long as it also got a buff too it’s air too ground capabilities, such ass Kh-29’s
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