So is this a new mode or new modes? Would the mode be Sim, AB, RB, or a pseudo mix (similar to some event mixing AB and RB as we seen before).
Are those voting asking from a version perspective (they play and expect AB, RB, or Sim, to be the focus), or generalised?
The poll will be a mess of different outcomes expected, is this a call from AB, RB, Sim, or all equal?
The important thing is reacting to what we know from Gaijin, that regarding TO in RB the answer is currently no (as recent as this month, and been same since 2018 with no hint at budging from their original statements). So beyond a poll does anyone have a good idea to sway the Devs (for/against/dont care can argue till cows come home, we have seen that with actual cohesion the playerbase can effect the Devs decisions - the polls before did nothing to change any of the AB or RB requests) as repeating has not worked?
So in theory two new “modes”(Sim being the odd one), not one. What about the players in AB, since I see a few advocates here as if it relates to what theg play? You might find the voters are a bit mixed (most might be expecting AB).
@CoffeeBean100 That depends, Arcade already has limited CAS by nature (only one of each type of aircraft up at a time) and the nametag system is a double edged sword.
My recommendation to remove first spawn ATGM helis from sim was a general thing, it doesn’t need its own mode.
As it is now, seaplanes and some bombers have interceptor spawn - in the air above the airfield, but not high enough for quick descend like we have now
Thanks for the confirmation. However it is hard to work out how people have voted since there will be AB players thinking it relates to their request for a TO mode (I believe SpankdaMonkey was very active on the old AB topic).
You might want to adjust the description so people know they are voting for a particular solution.
This poll will stay the same as I want all players, in all 3 realism settings, to have an opinion on a TO mode. I will revise this poll at a later date.
the suggestion for sim mode was just a suggestion… it doesn’t need a major thing for it or its own poll question, you’re just making helicopters the same way they are in GRB - no ATGMs for first spawn helis.
No criticism, I’ve just seen the conversations for years and misunderstandings are common.
Advocates for AB TO might not be accepting in a TO like GRB, if you understand my querying (as in they would want one too, which is equally asked for as RB).
The impact of one new mode plus Sim revision is different to other mixes I’ve mentioned.
No poll ever will, these results are more general interest and will be taken as such.
(Got to get used to clicking the right “reply” button).
To be honest if more modes existed players would enjoy trying/playing them, but it is much more thsn that to change Gaijins current stance (when Top tier additions dry up it might be a route they take to keep players interested).
Though interestingly even GHPC will have air assets.
Though interestingly even GHPC will have air assets.
And they’ve been criticized thoroughly for those, even though they’re very limited, almost script-only assets. Big shock, I know, but I don’t think people want to play “hide and seek” from aircraft, because most tanks simply can’t fight back at all.
I don’t think you need to go into that here since discussions on the how and why are covered without derailing your poll.
I didnt mind being a “target”, thats why i continued to play and made the effort to counter the enemy wherever possible, and so invested time in aircraft since that is the game we chose to play, not the game you want to play.
And some people do mind. There were quite a few threads on this - in fact, one of the most visited threads on the old forum was the “remove CAS” thread.
That’s why it irks me in a special way when people insist there is “no interest” in TO or that the devs will “never do it”. Are we suddenly not allowed to give feedback? Offer suggestions? Until the suggestions forum is re-opened this is the only place to do it.
If your defense of CAS in ground battles comes down to “Gaijin wants to do it this way and you can’t change their minds” you should really think hard on what that might mean for your enjoyment of this game and WT’s future.
And some people don’t. Or am I not allowed to say?
Of course, and people can discuss it. I don’t see anyone saying you can’t. But being honest about where were are should not be a bad thing. Point being the Devs said no, so the obvious thing is to convince the Devs, yes? They don’t appear to care if someond came here looking for a different game. It is only Gaijin stopping TO from existing.
I said I did not want to derail your thread, keeping to the parameters of your topic.
I’m not defending anything so try not to project too much, please. Understanding does not mean defend.
You can tell from my profile what I think of the modern WT generation (blame the new forum for being too open that I’m here - the game still interests me in some capacity).
Think you misunderstood what I said, I’m talking about the so called Ground Battles mode in Arcade nothing else.
That’s were numerous other players also have issues with the overbearing CAS in that game mode.
This topic has been a sore point with a healthy portion of the player base since I joined the game and forums back in 2017, numerous threads were done in the old forums many many times complaining about and making suggestions to deal with the CAS issues.
Simple logic says if the issues are that well known, talked about and most ignored it’s in the company’s best interest to keep things as they are and cater to the portion of the player base that benefits Gaijin the most, basic economics.
This game is all about making money when you strip all the fluff away. Obviously what’s going on now is working for Gaijins bottom line or they would change it.
This game is all about making money when you strip all the fluff away. Obviously what’s going on now is working for Gaijins bottom line or they would change it.
Have they considered that a TO mode, on top of the current GRB, might bring back old players frustrated with CAS?
I’m personally ok with the game as it is. I just like the realism of combined arms like it is in real life. I think it would be quite boring to not see or have any action in the sky. Yes at times I do find the CAS very frustrating, but to be honest it was way worse on me before I got a few certain ground vehicles to try to deal with them better.
I mainly play USA, and before I got the Lav-AD and ADATS life was often miserable to me trying to survive. I was noticing at that time that hardly any teammates would spawn in SPAA and helis in particular were just taking over as well as jets. But once I got my 2 favorite anti-air vehicles the game became much more interesting and fun, I could actually compete against air while fighting ground too. There are still plenty of bad times of course but I believe once you have certain vehicles you’re comfortable with, it’s better than before. I personally don’t like the XM975, because I love thermals and it doesn’t have it, so I just use the ADATS or Lav-AD because the Lav-AD I find is ok with it’s Stingers at times if you use it right. It seemed bad for a while recently but seems to be working better even more recently, actually started locking helis better since last week somehow. And used right against jets it’s pretty handy. Now Gaijin has messed up the ADATS missiles lately along with other SPAA and I’ve been very angry about that, so that’s one thing that needs to be reverted. I think they saw how some SPAA was being effective particarly against Russia so they messed with it.
Now one thing I personally wish to do but have not yet is, get top tier jets. I actually don’t have any air, and I normally only play top tier. But I do want a jet more and more lately. Just to be able to hop into one during the battle and enjoy that part of it in GRB. I don’t really want to spend $70 on a jet and was hoping for rank 7 discounts in this sale but it didn’t happen. I just want 1 jet for now and have one picked out as I don’t feel like grinding the whole air tree as of yet. So figured I’d just get 1 premium. I could hunt down those pesky KAs instead of having to wait to spot them from the ground or it being a 50/50 of who kills who first if it decides to hide behind the trees or hover over it’s heli pad and fire. And while I love ground mode, I would love to hop in the jet and be able to zip across the battlefield really fast and have a change of pace to the slow driving tanks etc, go fast for a bit and see what I could do. I love seeing the jets overhead doing their thing, of course it’s better when they’re my teammates, but nevertheless. Helis as well, as much as I hate KA spam, I actually respect the ones who know how to fly it and zip around the battlefield and actually attack instead of hovering behind the trees or mountains being lazy and free kills. I commend the ones who truly attack, it makes it interesting. Actually they’re often killed by just a tanks machine gun that way, so it is possible to deal with if they truly participate in the battle. I think there should be someway to stop them from being able to hover far away out of sight and just fire away, basically with no way to retaliate against them. Sometimes if low enough they won’t appear on the radar (ADATS). So unless we also have air up, it can get frustrating at times. But often they’re higher up and it’s not so bad. I’ve even gotten used to judging aiming pretty good just with my tank reticle and often keep firing tank shells at the helis far away and if I don’t hit them I’m very close and make them dive and move all around, disturbing their shooting. It’s effective. It just takes my attention off of ground targets and I sometimes get shot by a tank while I’m not paying attention to them.
But overall even with some of the problems with air, I like it just the way it is. I do want 1 jet myself to go with my ground vehicles to mix it up and go fast in the skies as well, and I think it would suck to not have all parts combined like it is. I think it would be boring. As much as I love ground. Just my opinion. I respect all opinions.
BTW, for anyone who wants to play the “CAS will always be a part of Warthunder, its about combined arms, we need to instead talk about how to balance cas” bit, please tell me what your proposals are, because in the last 12 months SPAA has arguably been nerfed harder than CAS has.
CAS gets:
Air spawn
Infinite spawn protection and full repairs (airport)
scouting/hit markers from other players
extremely cheap ordnance and belts, sometimes requiring one kill or a cap for a plane
no additional SP cost for extra ordnance, just SP cost for each type of ordnance
15 second burn-down/death timer where they can release ordnance and fly
in downtiers, SPAA is often ineffective (see: helicopters at 8.0 fighting 7.0 lineups with WW2 gun AA)
So what exactly would you change? Do you have a solution or are you only saying we need to keep CAS because that’s what you want?