Without premiums to round-out lineups, how do you make use of tanks that are "orphanned" (they're the only vehicle at that BR)?

Recent thread on fictional/ahistorical vehicles and complaints about a BR gap existing for germany reminded me that the UK has a few orphanned BRs if we don’t consider premiums.

Centurion is 6.0, there’s no other 6.0 british vehicle that’s not premium (in fact no premium either as far I see).
FV4202 is 7.3. there’s no other 7.3 british vehicle, not even a premium.
Centurion Avre is 7.0. You guessed it! No other 7.0 vehicle.

I only mention britain as it’s a tree I’m familiar with. I’m sure other trees have similar orphaned vehicles (germany is a right bloody mess as well with 3.7 to 5.0 jump but that’s supposedly due to undertiering).

Now, standard advice I see is your line-up should consist of at least 2 “main vehicles” - not supports, not lower BR but equal replacements of each other in potential.

Given this advice being impossible to keep with orphaned vehicles, what’s a good rule of thumb to determine whether they can stand on their own (they’re the highest BR in your line-up), that they make a decent support vehicle for higher BR line-ups or even that they might end up as your main combat vehicle despite permanent uptiers (as was my discovery with the centurion. It performs better than charioteer in my experience).

Another inspiration of this post is trying to decide if the FV4202 is worth adding to Cent MK3/Caern/Conq/Eland/ or even replace one of them.

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This will be a very pedantic reply. It seems like this is less to do with viable lineups and more to do with grind optimisation.

TL;DR If you can’t make the Centurion work in a 6.3 Lineup or the FV4202 in a 7.7 lineup, it’s a you problem. Running 5.3 tanks to support a Centurion is asking too much of the 5.3 tanks, likewise with the 6.7s - 7.0s

For Starters, the German 4.3 Lineup is downright diabolical, ignoring this Tank Destroyer lineup has me casting aspersions on your opinions (I say this in jest). Your talk of the ‘3.7-5.0’ jump has me concerned, considering that by your own commentary the VK 30.06 a 5.0 is an orphaned vehicle and by your standards the first viable lineup after 3.7 is 5.7, as the current Panther/Nashorn combo doesn’t meet the criteria you outline.

Now, standard advice I see is your line-up should consist of at least 2 “main vehicles” - not supports, not lower BR but equal replacements of each other in potential.

Given this advice being impossible to keep with orphaned vehicles, what’s a good rule of thumb to determine whether they can stand on their own (they’re the highest BR in your line-up), that they make a decent support vehicle for higher BR line-ups or even that they might end up as your main combat vehicle despite permanent uptiers (as was my discovery with the centurion. It performs better than charioteer in my experience).

For starters the advice regarding line-up compositions is the ‘rule of thumb’. What you have described is a system of contingencies not a strategy, the idea of back-up vehicles assumes that you are attempting to remain active in each battle for as long as possible as opposed to losing your primary vehicle and joining a new battle.

You’ve offered up Brittain as an example so I’ll start there. If all you’re concerned with is efficient lineups than you can easily skip the Centurion Mk.1 at 6.0 and the FV4202 at 7.3. While you’re at it you might as well Skip the 6.3 Lineup (Charioteer, FV4005, M109A1) as it’s basically a meme lineup. You might as well Skip the 6.7 Lineup (Ratel 90/20, G6 and Tortoise) also as it consists of very specialised vehicles with little to no synergy and shoot straight for 7.7.

On the other hand, if you’re a confident tanker and don’t mind playing conservatively, the Centurion and FV4202 are some of the most complete and effective vehicles in the game. The FV4202 suffers from it’s low top speed but there’s no reason why a competant player can’t take those into battle as a single vehicle and have enough success in battle to justify playing.

The only genuine advantage a lineup offers, is versatility due to the unknowable map rotation. Having both the Fox and the Centurion Mk.3 in a lineup is great, knowing you might play have to Fulda or Advance to the Rhine. At the same time the Cent Mk.1 and FV4202 are both reasonable versatible medium tanks.

Finally, the idea of viable lineups and orphaned vehicles starts to unravel completely when you consider elements such at enemy vehicle composition and the relative capabilities of vehicle. Lets pretend that the KV-85 is an orphaned vehicle (almost), Techinically speaking, there’s not a lot that the IS-1 and the T-34-85 (D-5T) can do that the KV-85 can’t do almost as well. The firepower and mobility aren’t enough of a different to make a difference.

Another inspiration of this post is trying to decide if the FV4202 is worth adding to Cent MK3/Caern/Conq/Eland/ or even replace one of them.

The FV4202 is basically a Centurion Mk.3, but slower this is a very reductive description, but it’s true enough in the context of a video game. Lets say you have a lineup with 4 x 7.7 vehicles and the FV4202 is the last vehicle you spawn. The match is basically over at this point, you’re either getting kerb stomped by the enemy team and the FV4202 is being spawned to shoot 1 or 2 spawn campers before dying, OR, you’ve basically won and you’re spawning the FV4202 to cap a point or mop up the least 3-5 players left active on the enemy team.

Also, if you’ve already thrown away 3 vehicles in a battle, who even cares about a 0.4 BR difference at this point.

What about if you only have Cent MK3, Eland and FV4202 (plus Bosvark and ratel90/centmk1/charioteer (prolly ratel90 since HEAT-FS probably doesn’t care about even hard uptiers), would you still try and use it as your line-up, or wait until conq/caern?

I played Germany today for the low end of Teir 3, and yea, it does suck a bit. Ended up having to run 4.7 for the wirbel/ostwind combo, and had teir 2s in to make my lineup.

If it was the first time going up through the tech tree, I’d probably throw it in a lineup just to see what it could do. I’ve been playing the game for about 8 years now, these days when I’m working my way up through the tech tree, I tend to find a lineup I enjoy playing that’s at a reasonably close BR and then research all the vehicles before assembling a new lineup.

The FV4202 is a tough and capable vehicle, it’s frustrating at first because it’s slow. If you do choose to put it in your 7.7 lineup, you should be successful with it. I expect you will replace it with the Carnarvon as soon as it is available. As for the Conquerer, it’s a tough tank with a devastating gun, but it takes some getting used to. I found that the Conquerer has it’s own playstyle and you need to be disciplined with it. The Cent Mk.3 and Carnarvon are basically the same tank once spaded so they complement each other very well.

Due to Centurions, Carnarvons etc, being slow compared to other MBTs I’d keep something like the Eland in the lineup so you can capture points and have some flexibility on the bigger maps. I find that the centurions are very comfortable tanks that I enjoy coming back to. So I would expect you will enjoy many battles with them.

Good luck and I hope this helps.