That’s even more embarrassing then to be that wrong about another nation’s kit and so livid over their vehicles.
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Yes, you would be wrong. I play Soviets, Britain, Germany, France, Italy, and America. I’ve also at no point mentioned the US tech tree. You pulled that out of your ass to defend and objectively shit take.
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embarassing? whats embarassing? supporting another nation is embarassing? holy sheep and you have the face of saying that am a nationalist HAHAHAHA your coment is the most nationalist thing in the world suggesting that is embarassing to see someone being soo livid over another nation vehicles if i were nationalist i cannot be supporting another nation.
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It’s embarrassing you don’t even have systemic nationalism as an excuse for your own ignorance and misguided fervor. That’s just a you problem. That you decided to throw a tantrum in a forum for rational and fact-based discussion.
yeah whatever man the only thing am hearing from you is non-sense without any concret information the only thing you reached by this is just the absolute diversion to another conversation that is not the missile conversation we were having at first because you have run out of arguments regarding missiles and now you call me ignorant because is the only thing left for you to keep arguing about something that you already lost. very dissapointed of this community and the players that this community have the years passes and its still the same even with new players what a shame.
If you want to return to the original conversation let’s do that.
Do you have any justification besides year of introduction (a terrible argument unless you want your Baz Meshupar to fight F-22s from the same year) that the Python 4 is a balanced and needed addition to the game?
Because so far you have yet to provide a single good argument.
how i did not provide any single good argument? i told to you what the Python-4 have and what the Python-5 have and why one its a 4 generation and the other is a 5 generation it seems that you dont read to much, also one of your arguments were that the Python-4 have “A LOT OF RANGE” to much range and the missile have an operational range of 15KM like most of the missiles in game soo… what you are not understanding? also you tested the Python-4 in a user mission? because doing this you would find that the missile have at effective range of 5 to 6km depending on launch parameters could be more or even less than that having an average of 4.5km, also another good argument for it to be added is that they can add it like they added a lot of IR missiles in the game (NERFED) i give you the example of the PL-8B being a 2006 missile with a multimode seeker like the TY-90 it was introduced to the J-11B with a nerfed IRCCM and just a little improved seeker changing his adquisition range if they introduced this missile that it should have an unflarable IRCCM why they cannot add the Python-4 under the same conditions? if there is a lot of option for them to make it balanced like the options i give to the people in this poll, nobody is saying hey!! add it with the dual IRCCM no one wants that we want the missile to be in game because is something different it brings a capability that israel dont have and also exist the option of being added with just one of the 2 IRCCM like they did with the rest of the missiles its actually really simple to solve this.
PS: If you want the user mission is actually in the war thunder live.
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So your arguments are:
- An arbitrary and unfounded “it’s a 4th gen”
Generation doesn’t mean shit. The F-4C and F-4F ICE are the same generation of aircraft. As are the F-14A and F-15EX. Also, the AIM-9M and R-73 are only 3rd gen missiles. - “It should be nerfed”
So you don’t even want the Python 4, just a copy-paste of the AIM-9M with that name? What’s the point of adding a new missile if you’re going to nerf it to the ground to be balanced? And if that’s not a problem, why are you so adamantlt opposed to the AIM-9X being added in the same manner, or the IRIS-T, ASRAAM, etc? - “It’s balanced on the user mission”
Yeah, made by some random person with arbitrary performance. There’s also a P.1000 Ratte user mission, should we add that next update?
Meanwhile, backed by multiple sources, I’ve explained the enormous advantages in:
- Range, particularly seeker range
- G loading, nearly double the current best
- Engagement envelope, including full 360 degrees of engagement
- Boresight angle
In addition to the fact that Israel already has the AIM-9M, the best or second-best IR missile in the game.
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@ofekk213 @Surbaissemaxxing hey brothers how are you i hope you doing fine guys, can both educate this guy a little bit about israeli missiles? because i cant this person is stressing me out right now he dont understand and he is mixing a lot of things.
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Whats the user mission called because i have been trying to find it
It used to be a meaningful discussion but it became low information entropy “yes-no-yes-no-yes-no” argue, mixed with personal abuse.
It’s so funny that I forgot previous discussion content.
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i have it in a drive you can download it from here. (Just a disclaimer the user mission is using the Python-4 file that is in the game archives of the live server because the missile its in the game but we cannot see it in the jets and its not like the guy above said that the Python-4 is made by a ramdom guy with arbitrary performance, you just by changing the name of the missile in the Su-57A or H file you will use the missile with the actual in game stats and performance).
in addition to this a video from dovacat a well known missile tester in the community
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yea i agree thats why i pinged two guys thats knows a lot waiting for them to see this because am done with this guy am not gonna keep discussing with him at this point i think that he is just a troll ragebaiting.
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I agree the Python 4 would be undoubtedly the best IR missile if it was to be added this update, but it’d be far from truly breaking the meta.
A good start would be to add it to the Kfir C.10 (start by adding two of them only), so there could be a good benchmark on how good they are ingame. Everyone was so scared of FOX-3s but after they were added they turned out not so scary and meta breaking.
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No dude thats 180
Python 4 cant do 360 even if it had datalink bcuz it will bleed all its speed while python 5 has much better energy rotation and less drag bcuz some new aerodynamic teck
Thats why it goes over mach 4 and it has 20km+ and u can do bvr with it
with python 4 u cant it has max speed of mach 3.5 and max range of 15km
They simply dont have the same airframe even on rafael site u have the airframe stats its not hard to look
Go to see python 4 stats and u will see its heavier and shorther and have less span
This is from official iaf site
It says p5 it has better range and agility
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Not et just r27t
Without full irccm its not too powerfull
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No, it can’t do a 360. It has a 360 degree engagement envelope. It’s not doing a sick backflip and then going forward lol
And from official Rafael brochure- “Python 5 combines innovative technologies with operationally proven Python 4 components… Python 5 maintains Python 4’s unique aerodynamic airframe, INS, powerful rocket motor, warhead, and proximity fuze”
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Yea they kept the overall design but they improved the airframe to have less drag that give it more speed(mach 4),more agility, and range
If u read farther u will see that they saying p5 can be used on bvr and its close to 120 performance we cant know exacly cuz its clasified ofc also look at the missile body stats
U rly thinks its the exact same aiframe?
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