Source?
Also you’re probably getting confused with the Derby-ER based on the Python in terms of AIM-120 competitor. I can’t tell for sure because you have yet to link your source.
Dude just look at the missile body it fells u everything
Its similar design but its improved(15kg lighter how can it be the same airframe)?
Like the pl8 and pl8b
And im not confusing with the derby ik exacly what im saying
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It would need a BR change to compensate for that, since I doubt it would end up balanced at 13.0. I can’t make any concrete guesses on its BR, until I know exactly how it would perform in game in an un-nerfed state.
Probably because everyone ended up getting them at the same time iirc (excluding the F-14).
It’s tricky to implement a new very good missile that only one nation has. You end up in 1 of 3 situations;
First is that it ends up fairly balanced, which is the least likely scenario
Second is an A-10 situation, where it ends up at a much lower BR than it should be due to a poor platform. This often ends up ruining BR brackets well below where the plane is due to the ripple effect is causes. The A-10 is partly why the Me-262As face Mig-15s and Sabres regularly.
Thirdly is an F-14 situation, where the best performing aircraft also gets the best missile loadout. This happened recently with the F-15E, and it wasn’t good.
Yeah, it’d probably be alright at like 14.0 ish. But it’d be enjoyable for neither the user nor the opponent- an A-10 situation on steroids.
U overrastimate it
If it comes with aim9m irccm its not gonna be op at all
R73 and mica are both better in a tight df and range wise u have r27t not talking about r27et
U see this coming? Pop a few flares and flare it like every other missile
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Better IMO to add them as part of the Spyder-SR SPAA- alongside AIM-9X on NASAMs and IRIS-T SLS.
But thos missiles are on p5 level
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Which is pretty much same as P4 save the seeker. And Python 5 would come too on the Spyder-SR. Though Derby-ER (and AMRAAM for NASAM) would be good strong atm because of their much longer range than the IR missiles.
Ohhh god dude i just showed to you that the p5 has more range and its faster
Are u ragebaiting or smt?
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You haven’t done anything but provide broken links. While the manufacturers themselves have said the two share the same motor and airframe.
Motor yes
Airframe no
They share similar design overall but its improved on python 5 god its not hard to understand
Othewise how can u explain that pytyon 5 can go over mach 4?
How can u explain that python 5 can reach 20k+?
15kg less?10cm longer? 14cm bigger span?
What is going on?
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Broken links?
Official site telling u it has more range
Sry im rly trying to be nice but u keep ignoring facts
Different launch parameters, it’s not that complicated. And a longer lock range, plus datalink.
U hear yourself?
Obviously the Kfir C.10 getting it would warrant a BR increase, which would go nicely with the inclusion of the SPICE 1000 bombs that it misses. The Kfir C.10 should’ve never been 13.0 in the first place, it’s heavily nerfed. It should be the primo aircraft to test Python 4s on.
Wherever it should be 13.7 or 14.0 is entirely dependent on how good it will actually do once it gets Python 4s (and hopefully SPICE 1000s).
edit: it’s worth to mention that unlike other 90s IR AAMs the Python 4 had a regular software-based IRCCM and not an imaging IR seeker. It’d mean the IRCCM won’t be that much more powerful than IR AAMs present ingame; relatively-easy to flare front-aspect if it’s further than 1km, next-to-impossible but still possible to flare from the rear if it’s further than 1.5km.
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Its safe to say that the claims on the missiles performance tested on the same parameters but even if dont p5 have bvr range p4 does not this is a big diffrnace
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Python 4 and Python 5 use the same ND-10 rocket motor with dual-thrust and 80kN of thrust. The main difference in range comes from Python 5s much higher active guidance time (over double than Python 4) as well as Python 5’s adaptive thrust.
IIRC, rather than have a set time for burn and sustain, the Python 5 adaptively changes how much fuel the rocket motor uses and how much thrust it exerts. While it significantly increases the effective range and allows the Python 5 to have an engagement range higher than almost all IR AAMs in service today, I’d hardly compare it to something like an AIM-120C or an R-77-1.
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I didnt say its close to 120 its iaf said this
And python 5 has improved airframe as well otherwise it couldnt reach mach 4 adaptive thrust or not
Also im pretty sure i read somewhere that the drag was an issue the tried to solve on the p5 and they did but i dont remember where i read that probably a book(i will search it when i can)
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Because maneuvrability higher R-73, AAM-3 and PL-8B 10G (single plane). but flare resistant same AAM-3, AIM-9M and PL-8B (if gajin nerfed IRCCM)
Increase BR (Air AB, RB & SB) to 13.7 or 14.0 for the Kfir C.10 (Block 60) ?
But not forget F-5T Tigris might get 2 Python 4