Ah, my bad
yeah, if you want to include a testbed like that in your tree you have to have trialed it yourself even if the hull or turret is foreign
Don’t think so, the reason you might think that is because there are a lot of hulls manufacturers (Patria, Piranha, Rosomak, Boxer etc) but Cockerill is quite unique as a massive turret manufacturer. The only other examples i can think of are Oerlikon or that one from Israel, but ultimately it boils down to who trialed the testbed
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How about Fieseler Fi 167? Designed to be torpedo bomber for Graff Zeppelin. Couple were build.
Could be sort of an event vehicle.
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Well i still got 12 vehicle suggestions pending:
Sd.Kfz.250/9
Sd.Kfz.250/11 2,8 cm S.Pz.B. 41
Sd.Kfz.250 mit 2,5 cm Pak 112(f)
Matilda II Oswald 5 cm KwK 38 L/42
Pz I Ausf. C
Pz II Ausf. J
R.K. 9
Bedford MW mit 4,2 cm Pak 41 L/55
4,7 cm Pak 36(t) auf R35 (Panzerjäger R35)
Sd.Kfz.231 (Magirus)
Sd.Kfz.10 mit 4,5 cm Pak 184(r) und Mg 34
Sd.Kfz.10 mit 5 cm Pak 38 L/60
and Low Rank He grenades and more Track armor for German WW2 tanks.
I suppose because of the russian holidays, they also are slow with proccessing the suggestions.
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Austro-Hungarian Empire.
He280 would be a better entry level jet for Germany. Good matchup against Gloster Meteor and Airacomet
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Hungary was added to Italy due to them being ‘allied’ to Italy during WW2, it was added under “minor WW2” pretences, which is quite ridiculous.
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i can imagine if someone used the same argument to add south korea as a subtree for japan, yes absolutely ridiculus
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South Korea should be in a combined tree with Taiwan.
China should be split up into ComChi and non-comChi. That way North Korea and PRoC can be combined into one communist Asian tree and South Korea and RoC can be another.
I’d rather United Korea
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Doubt that happen tbh it’s just split a subtree and add it to other subtree for no reason really
But that was a different country as well?
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B-Tech 2A4 used as a testbed for the L/55, note the weights to simulate the weight of the 2A5 turret.
T19 modified to fit an autoloader on a Leopard 1 hull.
PT20/T20 with the Rh120 (here shown with the 105mm)
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VT-ETB I
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That would be useless to be honest, literally no purpose besides being a XP Piñata.
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possibly lol. but gimmicky nvrtheless.
Would love to see more of the wonderfully wacky world war II jets!
FW Flitzer
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P.1101
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Panzerspähwagen II Ausf. L Luchs
The Panzerkampfwagen II Ausf. L "Luchs " German for lynx
is a German light tank from the [Second World War]
, developed between 1940 and 1942 by Daimler-Benz
and MAN
. The Luchs was the only Panzer II
design with the Schachtellaufwerk overlapping/interleaved road wheels and “slack track” configuration to enter series production, with 100 being built from September 1943 to January 1944 in addition to the conversion of the four Ausf. M tanks. Originally given the experimental designation VK 13.03 , it was adopted under the alternate name Panzerspähwagen II and given the popular name Luchs . The Luchs was larger than the Panzer II Ausf. G in most dimensions. With a six speed transmission (plus reverse), it could reach a speed of 60 km/h (37 mph) with a range of 260 km (160 mi). The FuG 12 and FuG Spr radios were installed, while 330 rounds of 20 mm and 2,250 rounds of 7.92 mm ammunition were carried.
- History, Specs and Design
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In the summer of 1938, German manufacturing firms Daimler-Benz and MAN began developing a new reconnaissance tank under the VK 9.01 index. This tank was positioned as a development of Panzer II, but in fact it was a brand new machine. The chassis with the overlapping wheel arrangement of the support links consisted of five links on both sides. The tank was powered by a 150 hp Maybach HL 45 engine that allowed the 10.5-ton tank to reach a top speed of 50 km/h. In 1939, a prototype was produced, and after testing it was adopted under the name Panzerkampfwagen II Ausf. G. From April 1941 to February 1942, 12 machines were manufactured, after which production was halted.
On April 15, 1939, Daimler-Benz and MAN were ordered to design a 13-ton reconnaissance tank designated VK 13.01. The design of the tank was based on the VK 9.01.The main difference was the turret of the VK 13.01 fits two people on turret. However, in July 1940, the Waffenamt connected the Czech firms Škoda and Böhmisch-Mährische Maschinenfabrik (BMM) to the program of the creation of a 13-ton reconnaissance tank. In July 1941, MAN manufactured the tank chassis. At the end of January 1942, testing of prototypes began at the Kummersdorf test site. The Škoda company developed a T-15 light tank based on LT vz.35, and BMM, with their Panzer 38(t) n.A., developed on the basis of Panzer 38(t). As a result of the first stage of the tests, the BMM project won. However, in the second phase of the trials, which took place between May and June 1942, the MAN project won. The tank was adopted by the Wehrmachtunder the name Panzerkampfwagen II Ausf. L.
- Design
Hull and turret
The box-shaped welded hull was divided into three compartments (control, combat and engine). In the front of the hull there was a mechanic-driver and a radio operator. The front armor was 30mm of steel. The sides of the hull was 20 mm, the rear was also 20 mm. The roof and bottom of the hull had only 10 mm of armor. The tank’s weight was 11.8 tons.
Armor layout
The Luchs has 30 mm of armor at the front sloped between 10-25°, sides is 20 mm, rear is 20 mm, top is 13 mm, and bottom of the tank is 10 mm.
In some tank divisions, the frontal armor of the tank was reinforced with additional 20-mm armor plates. A similar reinforcement was carried out in the 4th reconnaissance battalion of the 4th Panzer Division.
Armament
The armament was one 2 cm KwK 38 L/55 autocannon and one 7.92mm MG 34 machine gun. On board were 320 rounds of 20 mm ammunition and 2,250 rounds of machine gun ammunition.
To launch smoke grenades on the sides of the turret were installed three Nebelwurfgerät 39 smoke generators with a caliber of 90 mm.
Even during the design phase, it was clear that the 20 mm gun would significantly limit the capabilities of the tank, so in April 1943 it was decided to start production of tanks with a 5 cm KwK 39 L/60, but the new gun did not fit in the tank turret. To solve this problem, it was decided to develop a new turret which could take the 5 cm gun on it; however, mass production of 5 cm-armed tanks was never started.
Crew
The tank accommodated four crew members, the commander (gunner), driver, loader and the radio operator.
Engine and transmission
The tank was fitted with a Maybach HL 66P six-cylinder four-stroke in-line liquid cooling engine with a power of 180 hp. The engine starter is the Bosch GTLN 600/12-12000 A-4. A manual launch was also possible. The fuel is ethylated petrol with an octane number 76 was placed in two tanks with a total capacity of 235 liters. The carburetor used in this vehicle was the Solex 40 JFF II. One Luchs production tank was equipped with a 12-cylinder V-shaped Tatra 103 diesel with power input of 220 hp.
The transmission consisted of a two-disc main dry friction clutch of the Fichtel and Sachs Mecano type, a mechanical synchronized transmission of the Aphon SSG48 6-1, a gimbal shaft and MAN-type pad brakes.
Running gear
For each side, the Luchs’ chassis consisted of five cropped support links, with a wheel diameter of 735 mm, located in two rows. It uses Schachtellaufwerk overlapping/interleaved road wheels and “slack track” configuration. Torsion bar is the primary suspension for the Luchs.
Production
Maschinenfabrik Augsburg-Nürnberg’s original order consisted of 800 tanks, of which 700 were to be produced as Luchs 5 cm. Serial production began in September 1943 and continued until February 1944.
Only 100 Panzer II “Luchs” were produced in total, all manufactured by MAN. A total of only 100 (2cm) vehicles were produced (serial No. 200101–200200) but not a single tank with a 50 mm gun was produced. The MAN company was not able to fulfill the order completely as it was producing the Panther tank.
Combat history
The Luchs were to enter service with armoured reconnaissance detachments Panzer-Aufklarung-Abteilung which were made up of four platoons of seven Luchs and one in the company HQ. There were also four Sd.Kfz. 250/1 light half-track armoured personnel carriers, one Sd.Kfz. 9 heavy half-track and seven Sd.Kfz.2 Kettenkrad half-track motorcycles. The Luchs’ troops began to enter in the autumn of 1942. The first new tanks were received by the 2nd Company of the 4th Reconnaissance Battalion 2.Kompanie/Pz.Afkl.Abt.4 of the 4th Panzer Division. On September 26, 1943, the company was disbanded, and the remaining tanks were sent to the factory for repairs. Not all tanks returned from it; some were left off. Later, the company was re-created as the 1st Company of the 9th Reconnaissance Battalion 1.*Kompanie./Pz.Afkl.Abt.*9 of the 9th Panzer Division. It reached combat readiness by March 1944. This time it consisted of 25 tanks - one HQ and six in each of the four platoons. These tanks did not reach the Eastern Front; first combat use was in France in June 1944. The remaining assembled tanks were either later transferred to the specified units for additional recruitment or distributed piece by piece to other units.
One of the few operations in which the Luchs took part on a massive scale citation needed was the Operation Citadel. In its course, by August 17, 1943, only 5 tanks remained in an operational state in the 2nd tank reconnaissance company. By September 1, out of 29 vehicles, 10 remained in the company in one form or another. In these formations the Luchs were used until the end of World War II.
- Sources
Description of History and Info : Luchs (tank) - Wikipedia
Photos :
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Also just went through again and found this already on the list after I posted it, mb.
But if you want some brief history on it there you go.
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Focke-Wulf Fw 187 Falke
The Focke-Wulf Fw 187 Falke was a German aircraft developed in the late 1930s. It was conceived by Kurt Tank as a twin-engine, high-performance fighter, but the Luftwaffe saw no role for the design, perceiving it as intermediate between the Messerschmitt Bf 109 and Bf 110. Later prototypes were adapted to two-seats to compete with the Bf 110 in the heavy fighter Zerstörer role, but only nine aircraft were built in total.
- History, Specs and Design
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Design and development
In the early to mid-1930s, developments in airframe design outpaced available aircraft engine power. Consequently, some designs with two engines outperformed aircraft with just one engine. In European air races, the Dornier Do 17 - a military design concealed under the guise of civilian use - proved faster than single-engined fighters. Although the period of twin-engine superiority was brief, it sparked the idea in Nazi Germany of the schnellbomber (fast bomber), which defensive fighters could not catch. Other air forces also developed twin-engine fighters.
In 1935, Kurt Tank suggested creating a long-range single-seat fighter as a private venture within Focke-Wulf. The idea was not to produce a heavy fighter or bomber destroyer like the Bf 110, but instead a long-range fighter with the performance of a single-seat design. Powered by the new 736 kW (1,000 PS) Daimler-Benz DB 600, it had an expected speed of 560 km/h (350 mph). The design was unveiled in 1936 at an exhibition of new weapons, prototypes and projects held at the Henschel factory at Berlin-Schönefeld, where it was viewed by high-ranking Nazi officials including Hitler. However, the Reich Air Ministry (RLM) rejected the design because the single-engine Bf 109 had comparable performance at half the cost. There was thought to be little need for a long-range fighter, as it was believed bombers would not need to be escorted.
Prototypes
Tank took the design to Wolfram von Richthofen, chief of the development section of the Technischen Amt, the research and development arm of the RLM. Richthofen was not so convinced that bomber performance would remain superior to fighters, and gave the go-ahead for the construction of three prototypes on the condition that they replace the DB 600, which was in extremely short supply, with the less-powerful 515 kW (700 PS) Junkers Jumo 210.
R. Blaser was assigned to detail design. In order to improve performance compared with the Bf 110, the fuselage was made as small as possible. This meant there was no room on the instrument panel for the complete set of engine instruments, some of which were moved to the inside faces of the engine nacelles, as would also be done for the Henschel Hs 129 ground attack aircraft and some versions of the Bf 110. The engine nacelles were relatively normal, including both the engine and the main landing gear storage, but the front-mounted engine radiators were retractable for high speed when less frontal area was needed for the same airflow (an idea which was also used in the French Morane-Saulnier M.S.406. The mainwheels were fully retractable and faired. Unlike some contemporary designs, like the Bf 109, the wing and tailplane required no struts. The two wing spars passed under the pilot’s seat. As was common on pre-war designs, the line of the rear fuselage flowed straight into the line of the canopy, which created less drag than a bubble canopy, but also blocked direct viewing to the rear. Cutouts in the rear fuselage and the rear section of the canopy helped compensate for this. A small window panel was fitted by the pilot’s feet to improve his view for landing.
The first prototype, Fw 187 V1 (D-AANA), flew for the first time in late spring 1937, with Hans Sander at its controls. In testing it demonstrated a speed of 523 km/h (325 mph) despite the use of the low-powered Jumo engines; 80 km/h (50 mph) faster than the contemporary Jumo-powered Messerschmitt Bf 109B, despite having twice the range, more than twice the weight, and using two of the same engines. Members of the RLM complained that this was due to faulty flight instruments, but further testing ruled this out. The Fw 187’s climb rate and dive rates were also on par - if not superior - to the single-seater.
Several changes were made to the design as a result of the testing, including new DVL propellers in place of the original Junkers-Hamiltons, and experimental twin-wheel bogies that were abandoned after testing. Blaser was concerned about flutter in the rudder at high speed and had a weight fitted to reduce it but in testing this caused so much flutter it was torn off at high speed. A second prototype followed with fixed radiators rather than earlier retractable versions, a semi-retractable tailwheel, changes to the elevator, and a vertical stabilizer with reduced chord. The engine was also upgraded to the 210G version of the Jumo, featuring direct fuel injection which resulted in a significant increase in power. New ejector-type exhaust stacks also contributed to increased speed by directing engine exhaust to the rear. Fw 187 V2 started testing in the summer of 1937, but crashed on landing when part of the main landing gear failed, and V1 was destroyed on 14 May 1938 after a high-speed pass over the Bremen facilities when the pilot, Paul Bauer, pulled up too sharply at the end of the pass resulting in a stall that sent the aircraft spinning into the ground.
Two-seater prototypes
Ernst Udet had replaced von Richthofen in 1936. An influential proponent of high-speed monoplane fighters, he nonetheless demanded manoeuvrability and doubted twin-engine designs could ever fully compete with single-engine types. Nevertheless, he felt the performance of the aircraft warranted development as a potential replacement for the Bf 110 in the bomber destroyer role. Even before V1 flew, Tank had been instructed to convert the design to a two-seater for this role despite the requirement for a second crew member in this role being marginal. The first two prototypes were already at an advanced stage of construction at this point, so two-seater work began on the third prototype which had just begun construction.
Blaser adapted the design by stretching the fuselage slightly but the inclusion of a second crew member altered the center of gravity which demanded the engine nacelles be modified to correct changes to handling characteristics. A new extended-length cockpit “framed” canopy was added, but due to the high line of the fuselage there was no easy way to include defensive rear-facing armament, relegating the second crew member to the role of radio operator. It was intended the offensive armament be improved by replacing two 7.92 mm (.312 in) MG 17 machine guns with 20 mm MG FF cannons, although these were never actually fitted.
Fw 187 V3 (D-ORHP) flew in spring 1938, but it suffered a starboard engine fire during one of the initial test flights and damaged its main landing gear in the resulting forced landing. It was quickly repaired and returned to service.
Two additional two-seat prototypes, V4 (D-OSNP) and V5 (D-OTGN), followed in the summer and autumn of 1938 respectively. While also powered by the Jumo 210, their performance was disappointing and led to a decision that any advantages of the new type would not warrant the replacement of the existing Bf 110.
The final prototype, Fw 187 V6 (D-CINY), was more heavily modified, receiving the originally specified 736 kW (1,000 PS) DB 600 engines, as well as a new surface evaporative cooling system for reduced drag. First flown in early 1939 it proved to have serious cooling problems in common with other designs using the system, like the Heinkel He 100 and suffered some skin buckling and distortion.
Nevertheless, during a series of carefully timed and measured runs in October 1939, the Fw 187 V6 reached 634 km/h (395 mph) in level flight, making it the fastest fighter in Germany at the time.
Production
A small production run of three Fw 187 A-0 followed in the summer of 1939, based upon the V3 prototype and using the Jumo 210G engines. The Luftwaffe, however, stated that without defensive armament the aircraft could not fulfill the Zerstörer role, and remained uninterested in the design. The three two-seat prototypes were returned to Focke-Wulf after testing at Rechlin. There was a brief study in the winter of 1942/43 as a night fighter, but the lack of room in the cockpit for radar equipment quickly eliminated it from contention. After rejecting the design, the RLM “recycled” their 8-187 airframe number to Junkers for their Junkers Ju 187 dive bomber prototype.
Tank nevertheless directed a series of studies based around new versions of the basic airframe in roles including dive bomber, night fighter, fighter-bomber, high-altitude interceptor with greater wingspan and lengthened rear fuselage, among others. These designs explored a variety of engines including the Daimler-Benz DB 601, DB 605 and even the BMW 801 radial engine.
In time the Focke-Wulf Ta 154 Moskito resulted from the Luftwaffe requirement for a twin-engine heavy fighter like the Fw 187, but constructed from wood instead of light alloys. Due to the different material and construction techniques Tank made no use of the Fw 187 work, instead having to design a completely new aircraft to meet this requirement.
General characteristics
- Crew: 2
- Length: 11.1 m (36 ft 5 in)
- Wingspan: 15.3 m (50 ft 2 in)
- Height: 3.85 m (12 ft 8 in)
- Wing area: 30.4 m2 (327 sq ft)
- Empty weight: 3,600 kg (7,937 lb)
- Gross weight: 5,000 kg (11,023 lb)
- Powerplant: 2 × Junkers Jumo 210Ga V-12 inverted liquid-cooled piston engines 680 PS (500 kW; 671 hp)
- Propellers: 3-bladed constant-speed propellers
Performance
- Maximum speed: 525 km/h (326 mph, 283 kn) at 4,000 m (13,000 ft)
- Service ceiling: 10,000 m (33,000 ft)
- Time to altitude: 6,000 m (20,000 ft) in 5 minutes 48 seconds
Armament
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Guns:
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4 × 7.92 mm (0.312 in) MG 17 machine guns in fuselage sides
- 2 × 20 mm (0.787 in) MG FF cannon in lower fuselage
- Sources
Description of History and Info : Focke-Wulf Fw 187 Falke - Wikipedia
Photo Links :
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https://www.pinterest.com/pin/fockewulf-fw-187-falke-1--476044623093264805/
Focke Wulf Fw 187 | Plane-Encyclopedia
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World War 2 Eagles: Focke Wulf FW 187 Falke - PHOTOGALLERY
Уголок неба ¦ MG-FF 20-мм авиационная автоматическая пушка
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Junkers Jumo 210 D, Inverted V-12 Engine | National Air and Space Museum
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