(WIP) Modern IR (FOX2) Missile - History, Performance & Discussion

Really? I don’t believe you. Really??? :O

You think it is tested first on land vehicles and then included in aircraft?

I mean the p5 and p4 are pretty much the same in how they fly the p5 only being lighter and having a better seeker and the slight difference in weight does make the p5 more versatile and faster but we will see how gaijin models them

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You’re right, they are almost identical physically, but the P5 is much better, you know: Fullsphere 360, greater speed and distance, reattack, etc. I really would like to see it in the game.

Weight loss and less drag is a big diffrenace also the fins were optimize so it probably can pull harder for more time(giving it the full sphare capability)

Messing around with custom making an AAM-5 for a user mission with all JP AAMs. Estimating it’s motor from video evidence and CP-Y0115F. With aerodynamic characteristics grabbed from other comparable designs in game. And, wow is it fast. Like it’s motor is fairly good, but, not insane, however missiles with it’s layout just have so little drag, particularly with it being a fairly thin missile.

(The 9X and P5 are the in game versions).

I really wanna see like, an ASRAAM in comparison to this. Cause like, that should atleast definitely beat this. I wasn’t really expecting it to be much better then a 9X or P5 in terms of range honestly, although I suppose it makes sense. The 9X doesn’t have the best motor, and the P5 has a ton of drag (large diameter + very high coef). I wonder if an IRIS-T would outrange this, it’s a lot lighter missile so I dunno if it will have the thrust to, but i dunno enough about it to model it with any accuracy.

You will soon, Sky Sabre is coming.

do we have the improved/late seeker modeled on the R-27ETs in game or do we have the early version?

The T/ET have a seeker considerably worse than any that were ever fielded irl. Gaijin intentionally nerfed all existing IR seekers with gate width reduction techniques on purpose.

R-73 and Magic 2 for example have 2x the real world FoV almost and T/ET are absurdly large

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note its heavier but with less drag.

Anyone have a list of all (fox 2) missiles that have a 180 degree target capability? From memory it’s r74m2, asraam, mica, iris t and python 5.

The AAM-5B

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does the first one not have iog?

It has IOG, however it doesn’t appear to have HMD slaving.

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How would aam5 not have hms slaving but aam3 does, did they just decide to cut on costs?

Something i’ve said before in some other channels, i’m not really convinced the AAM-3 is actually HMD slavable. Everything talking about HOB on it mentions slaving from the radar or self search modes.

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Does the aam5 get gps/satellite navigation as well?

No.

That being said, it is said to be a very good IOG system, I don’t remember which document it was in, but I remember reading some appraisal of it at what would equate to less then 0.2 meters per second inertial drift (an order of magnitude less then the normal inertial drift speed in game).

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Do you know the gimbal limit for it? All I can find for aam5 is that the b model has an increased gimbal over the aam5. Also do you know how the aam5 would be targeted onto targets behind the air craft if the carriers don’t have a radar that looks behind them? Aircraft like su57 or su35 it’s easy to understand how the missiles can cue behind them (insane gimbal limits)

So, they’re both technically 90 degrees.

However, the AAM-5 only uses a 2 axis gimbal. So while it’s maximum gimbal angle is technically 90 degrees, it’s average gimbal limit is only like 80 something, I dunno the exact number cause I haven’t calculated it yet. Anyways the AAM-5B features a 3 axis gimbal, so it can actually reach the full 90 degrees regardless of direction.

It’s done entirely by inertial guidance, literally just, shoots the missile blindly in the general direction where you’re looking, and uses a self search mode to try and find something in that general direction.

Honestly this is especially problematic considering the AAM-5 is more prone to pre-flaring then other IIRs, due to how it’s image recognition works.

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