@Pheonix_RX01
Your post is conjecture. So fix that.
I want hard evidence proving my suspicions about Gripen E’s new wing being standard.
I want the new wing more than you.
The 6002 started as a testbed showcasing what the Gripen E could be and is not an accurate representation of the model in service with the Flygvapnet currently, if you can find an image of any if the current Gripens that just entered service with the short wings then go ahead. But all currently made Gripen E’s have those extended wings.
You routinely seem to claim to be right on everything regardless of if someone shows you evidence otherwise there is no reason to continue this discussion with you because you will swap to whatever fits your intent to change the subject like you did with the Finnish F-18’s.
Any pings will be ignored once more as you are simply incapable of basic conversation on any subject of the matter
@Pheonix_RX01
Well, since you refuse to provide evidence proving my statement correct about the newer wing being service, and my suspicions of it being standard service, I must continue to wait.
If you want to disprove my suspicions, you need documents that prove the “short” wings are still an option for customers.
From what I’ve seen, the posts Saab posted on Facebook of the in service gripen show them with the new wings
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Careful, Phoenix is about to tell you you’re wrong for agreeing with me.
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They do all have the new wings even the new F-39’s for Brazil have been shown with the new wings
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This was the most recent show of the newest Gripen E moving in Brazil
Again we just haven’t seen the notched wing in any of the recent models
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This is actually one of the first F-39’s to Brazil my bad (i have this saved for a bug report on the incorrect wing layout when landing) this has the notch which is only seen in early F-39’s and the Gripen E testbeds like 6002.
https://share.google/YKAf27UfIykl9vkib
Its really hard to see given the angle but yeah of the new Gripen E’s delivered they all have the extended wing
@kizvy this is from the most recent delivery for the Flygvapnet
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Oh hey, the evidence that they exist. Which proves my previous statements…
The only issue I have is I want my suspicion that it’s the only wing design proven, but no one will help me.
suprise its the swedish one thats in the game
What is currently in-game is a production prototype. The 6002 is owned by the Swedish defence forces material supplier for testing and validations, it is not owned nor flown by the actual Swedish air force.
It is standard service yes: ( JAS-39E for Sweden - #361 by Necronomica )
Brazil didn’t have it on their first deliveries but those exact planes have later been seen with the new wing so they have also modified the older deliveries to have the newer wing.
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Holy midwittery, come on admit you were incorrect instead of that cope
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Prove that the new wing isn’t standard then.
If my suspicions are wrong, certainly you have proof that proves my suspicions, Necromonica’s statements, etc all wrong.
Do an ounce of research and you’ll see that the extended wing is a part of the ‘Gripen E’ as an overall package, what you are confusing for E models without the wingtips are in fact the Gripen ‘NG’ prototypes with the 600-- serial numbers, some of which were trialled with the extension, and others weren’t, however all Production models so far have utilised the extended wingtip since that is part of the aircraft itself as an overall package as previously stated.
They are present on the Brazilian F-39 fleet alongside the brand new Flygvapnet Gripen E fleet which is being delivered over the course of this year, with initial examples delivered in december of 2025
@I_MiikaL_I
Gripen NG is an entirely different project.
You still haven’t proven Necronomica and I wrong.
Prove to us that the old wing design is available on production Gripen Es if you think any of us are wrong.
Gripen NG was a series of upgrades to the C that led to the E, these upgrades were inline with the requirements laid out by SAAB and swedish air force, which is why it was a phased prototype instead of a single one
The wings are on the production model, never argued otherwise, but it’s pretty much common sense that they would retain the ability to modify the wings based on demand, the airframe didn’t magically change from the NGs that tested the extensions, nor did they lose the blueprints or technical knowledge to make the change if that’s what you’re arguing, never even clear since you like to run in circles so much.
@I_MiikaL_I
You have Gripen NG which is a different project.
You have Gripen E prototypes [allegedly, with myself and others alleging this].
You have Gripen E service.
And this was my argument: I changed the order of the argument to make it easier to understand in a recent edit.
Which so far Pheonix claimed my suspicions were correct, but without proof.
Necronomica also claimed my suspicions were correct, but without proof.
We all have this proof of the improved wing design being on service equipment, but we don’t have proof [at least posted] that the older wing design stayed with the “prototypes”.
Interchangable terms for the most part, unless you really want to nitpick and claim that the single two seater Gripen E prototype (which for all intents is just the NG) which was a large part of the marketing for the jet
So now you’re claiming that SAAB forgot how to build/maintain the previous wing design, despite evidence that Brazil operated early batches of production Es without them.
This entire argument is arbitrary because you’ve already answered the question.
Gripen E in game is a prototype not a production model, that we’ve established.
Gripen E prototypes used both types of wing
Gripen E production used both types of wing, with the cavêat being that the only production models to use the old wing are brazilian.
Simple solution is for gaijin to make the aircraft accurate, and they have a choice here, rename it to become something along the lines of Gripen ‘Early’, Gripen E ‘6002’ or Gripen E ‘Prototype’.
Or
They could remodel the current Gripen E to reflect it’s production status
The latter of which I’m aware is very disturbing for you after our Apache AH Mk2 conversation, in which my hypothesis ended up being correct anyways.
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Oh hey, civility.
All I really asked for.
And no disagreements, just discussion and coming with ideas.
Gripen E Clipped would work, or some other indicator of the different wings.
All I remember from any Apache AH Mk2 discussion was me stating it’s a different model to America’s AH-64E, which was proven correct.
In-fact, almost all if not all of the AH-64Es are different models from each other.
And I’ll be… the Brazilian service Gripen Es seem to indeed use the older wing design.
To add to your part its very interchangeable given we didn’t see the extended wing until it was shown on the 6002 at which point i believe all F-39’s started getting their wings changed to the extended wing design. Though we have seen 6002 have its wings changed between the 2 given the IRST sensor was seen on both wings, for a few years 6002 has been sticking to IRST sensor and extended wings.
SAAB still hasn’t talked about it to my knowledge but it seems somewhere a bit after Brazil bought the Gripen E the push for the new wings went through as we have yet to see another Gripen E be made with the old wing design.
IRST with extended wing^
No IRST with old wing design^
IRST and old wing design^
I remember hearing a Gripen 6002 was shown without the IRST and with the new wings but i haven’t found it.
So it seems that the transition for the new wings came from SAAB if i had to guess given the older wing design may have just been inferior design wise or some other reason thats likely classified
Regardless there was only a few years where Brazilian F-39’s used the old wing design but it seems the current fleet inlcuding the original F-39’s have all swapped to the new wing design as about the same time the 6002 changed so did they.
To add to this it wouldn’t shock me if the original F-39 didn’t get a unique designation even with the old wings as SAAB still called the original Gripen E and the current service models the MS21
But tbf SAAB hasn’t really talked about MS21 that much
Regardless Gripen E doesn’t reflect the current Gripen E IRL and thus should have its name changed to something that shows what it actually is which is a F-39 early or Gripen 6002
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