Or they want other planes to be brought up to that capability gap. Other nations getting buffed can be considered a nerf to the Eurofighter AESA, but it’s only a relative nerf. Not a literal outright nerf.
The Eurofighter AESA will get better equipment in the future when the game is ready. And it will still be more than capable in the current meta. The planes that will get 120Ds still don’t have the crazy gimbal limits necessary to make use of the removed firing limit.
Isn’t BOL nerfed for all planes that use them?
The AIM-120D-3 has a new booster and F3R over the AIM-120D.
The AIM-120D has GNSS, 2-way DL, and improved HOBS capabilities over the AIM-120C-8.
Again though, why isnt the Su-30SM2 stuck with R-77s then or Why isnt the Rafale limited to just 6x MICA EM instead of its current 8 (which it debatably shouldnt have) they are both performing better than the AESA Typhoon
Its just seems like its only the Typhoon not allowed to perform well. If anything else is strong its not noteworthy
It is, but few really use it at higher BRs.
Only the Gripen E, F-15C GE and some of the F-18s. All of which would benefit just as much.
The aircraft really suffering though are the Tonka and Harriers. Which makes the original nerf worse. They made the Change to nerf the Gripen A/C when they were first added and ended up nerfing some of the weaker aircraft in the game
Again the Su-30SM2 lacks MANY of the systems present on the EF AESA, namely MAWS and spherical RWR coverage. In ASB, the Eurofighter dominates with its situational awareness due to its insanely good HMD.
And the Rafale lacks the gimbal limits present on the Eurofighter AESA. For ASB it also lacks IFF DL on the HMD since they updated it.
They both simply have tradeoffs to be able to have those capabilities. The Eurofighter’s tradeoff is its survivability and onboard systems.
and yet, they are both performing better on average.
if the AESA Typhoon was consistantly miles ahead of everyone else, then sure, but its not, its not even really onpar with the Rafale.
The German AESA Typhoon is doing worse than the Gripen E at the moment, Does that mean the Gripen E should also be denied missile buffs?
What does the D3 add over the D, just the increased motor?
I guess gaijin prepare MBDA Meteor at least 2028 or 2029
So AIM-120C-8 is F3R hardware like AIM-120D-3 (Raytheon say C-8 has F3R the same as D-3), but without GNSS and 2-way datalink from the baseline AIM-120D, and using the existing (C-7) motor rather than D/D-3’s?
It appears it doesn’t have any of the improvement from the F3R either. Just C-7 to C-8.
Hopefully its added alongside 5th gens to give us the same edge that everyone is getting over the Typhoon, but I wouldnt be surprised if we were stuck with C5s vs F-22s for a while
Quoting from Raytheon/RTX:
Under the F3R program, engineers used model-based systems engineering initiatives and other digital technologies to upgrade multiple circuit cards and advanced processors in the guidance section of the missile and to re-host legacy software in the AIM-120D-3 and AIM-120C-8 AMRAAMs.
Yep. Meteor, mica ng. r37m, aim174b, all these would be added before 5th gen or with 5th gen
Yeah so F3R should essentially translate into much better lofting.
I’m not sure if it improves the short range fin AOA actuation, but that would certainly help in the current implementation of the AIM-120.
The main issue is Gaijin hasn’t improved the lofting profile from the AIM-120A all the way to the AIM-120C-7 at all, and each AMRAAM variant should have different lofting profiles.
AIM-120A → Base model
AIM-120B → Reworked internals, should have improved lofting
AIM-120C-5 → Entirely new variant, should have improved lofting on top of the new 5in booster.
AIM-120C-7 → Known to gain range over the C-5, lacks a new booster, should have improved lofting.
And then we throw F3R in for the AIM-120C-8 and AIM-120D-3. The AIM-120D base model of course not having F3R.
Though based upon their attitude towards the Typhoon, should not be added to 5th gens.
If the Typhoon has to have weaker missiles to “balance it” against other 4th gens, then surely so should 5th gens.
F-22s for example should be added with only Aim-120C5s
It can accurately be said that that the Eurofighter doesn’t “need” a buff as it is a top contender, but can’t it also be said that there isn’t really a reason to deny it a buff in the form of AIM-120C-8 if it wouldn’t make it better than the Su-30SM2/Rafale?
A good reason to add it would be technological progression of the game.
I agree, but I would also motion that the AIM-120D-3 should be added to US aircraft.
