Will Russia ever be able to climb and not mudsuck at modern BRs?

yes i know its not the same but the point of the post was saying ru jets were not able to climb at modern era for the past 2 years im just saying thats not the case since they in fact had the best bvr missile in the game at the time

If the 27er is faster than the aim 54, how exactly are you going to notch the pheonix and then relock? Is it going to do a 180 and go back for the target? Maybe there is something I don’t get here, by the time the pheonix passes you, your r27 has to be past the f14 you fired at if you launched at similar times. You would have to purposely get launched on, know who did it, and then fire sometime after, notch, require the target you initially fired at. That’s some REALLY exceptional gameplay. Like on the tier of telling players they have to utilize full real controls and do what Ace Viper is doing to play their plane.

i hardly see any aim54s because the fakour completely mogged them to another realm since introduction, which does in fact hit sooner than r27er

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whether you notch then re-lock or just hold the lock till impact then notch after depends on who fired first its just 2 different methods for 2 different launch situations. and its easy to know at high alt cause con trails and the long missile trail on the aim54 made it very easy to track in bvr.

kinda talking about the past 2 years not the current meta cause yeah no shit nothing can outrange that thing.

what if he fires 2 of them spaced apart?

well then its a bvr back and forth they just used 2 missiles to counter 1. you can just turn away and let the missile die then fire again later.

just don’t climb . . .

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You clearly do no know how or when to use what was the most dominant and oppressive missile in the game the R-27ER…did you even know that you can hit people 3 meters off the ground by shutting off your radar and letting its IOG do the work something that sparrows couldnt do ( except some left out of game because they where considered to OP by someone’s logic…so sorry mig and suk fanboys have to do something other than fly straight to targets and kill them nowadays…be happy that you will get to enjoy shooting down helpless Nighthawks soon

This reads like a shitpost on /wtg/

The infamous stealth launch and IOG finisher, I clearly am not good enough to play russian jets without mastering such techniques. Hopefully they move the su27 and mig 29 up next decompression to account for this.

Lol 12.7 is to high for su-27??? Only your mother or girlfriend should hold your hand sukboys and migfanboys need gaijins too…

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Even if you do understand, the Flanker/29SMT are not capable of effectively doing BVR.

Because you don’t understand people don’t mean that every single russian vehicle is OP and rather mean they get preferential treatment overall?

They do have best toptier SARH, which outranges AMRAAMs for example.

Except it doesn’t in practice. You can’t fire a R27ER and guide it while also avoiding the AMRAAMs coming at you, and the R27ER does NOT reach the target at long range at an appreciable enough time to give you time to maneuver after the fact either. When I say russian bias I mean things like pantsir and other biased elements of the game

You always can get first shot advantage
Also, you dont need to point your nose direcrly onto the target, somewhere in like 55(if not 60) gimbal limit will be fine

Still, AMRAAM is the only thing that can confidently launch at 20+ km, (except off course FK90), and even PL12 which is remotely close is more of a 15km max thing, nevertheless R77. I think the other thing is not only is R77 inferior but also Mech, thus why many instead find SMT much easier to play with

Again, doesn’t matter. They fire 1-2 amraams then go defensive while you can’t go defensive. You can crank and everything. As long as you’re flying in a way that enables you to still track, you will be hit by the AMRAAM around the same time at best when the R27ER connects. R27ER can’t defeat AMRAAM consistently.

If they do go full defense - why you cant? Religion? Gender? Etc?
Even if you will have an AMRAAM in that case - theres will be very low chances of doing smth usefull in result of that.

??? Because the amraam still tracks?