the Wiesel has at least three men inside, it does not take damage with APFSDS shots AND does not pen with 12.7 to 20mm. And if it pens - its rarely more than yellow tankers.
AND this particular one gets an unhabitant turret.
and the only ones who have HE shells are USSR and China. Except them there are literally only SPAAs who have HEs, and those cant really do much. Plus using it`s size, this machine CAN do so you wont have a chance.
For example, the Fox has people in his turret, means anyone can kill or disarm it pretty well.
kay, prove it ingame.
The truth is that you need a minute for shots to penerate that frontal with 50cals with some damage. And with all that time the Wiesel just runs away.
nah. “everywhere” means ANY point. And if it does not get penned within frontal panel -it does mean it IS NOT penned everywhere. Moreover, while it angles, it has some “slants” on the frontal which should also be penned while angling.
And if i need to search for a single pixel to penetrate Wiesel (also not mentioning the DAMAGE it gets within pen) that means its not pennable.
Try using heatfs or anything with explosive against it, also the wiesel literally have 8mm armor all around so I’m pretty sure even .30 cal can pen it.
What about HESH, HEATFS and ATGM?
Have you seen gepard overpressuring MBTs lol?
There’s a reason why i said it should be 8.3-8.7. I don’t see why it size would make it op, it doesn’t have armor, it have a pretty mid cannon for that br with a pretty low fire rate and some what decent pen. The speed isn’t that good for the br either ( the fox is faster btw) and with zill armor it must play very sneaky and do mostly scouting just like it predecessor the 1a4.
I rather fight invisible tanks with stealth camo than dealing with CAS, I still have a higher probability of killing them than dodge the agm bullpup by A4E. I don’t know about you bro, no ground vehicles is more annoying than CAS, there is one that only a dude with bazooka expose behind the hill, that one is annoying but all you had to do it range find and HE that dude, or shoot your 7.62mm at him, and it doesn’t have too many of them to spare lol
HESH wont do shit if hits that unmanned turret, as it does nothing to M901 or R3T106s for example. HEATs also wont do shit with hitting the cannon- the machine is not open-top. And ATGMs on MBTs are also a USSR and China posessions.
Seen, never did myself
size only wouldnt. The brokeness of this chassis, unmanned turret, pretty decent cannon together would.
It may not become OP, tho it would become toxic asf for sure.
That brings a question: would adding a toxic little invisible brat remove the CAS? or it would just make your life more miserable as now cas AND this toxic brat ruin your gameplay?
so, to be clear: you need to: a) SPOT is b) withstand several its shots as you will spot is likely AFTER it will start shooting c) Shoot off your AP shot as you most likely WONT drive with HESH or HE loaded d)wait 5 to 10 seconds of reload withstanding its shots e)rangefind it and shoot f)pray that it wouldnt hide and move around (OR start moving front-back and keep shooting) straight as your cannon would point its way.
I see at least 4 steps where you can put an “Im dead” sign for several reasons.
CM25 for example (which is a rat I personally find annoying), it has a dude holding a bazooka standing in an exposed position, and shooting ATGM which is not supersonic, in order to hit you, he has to remain exposed for a few seconds depending on the range, you have all the time in the world to hit it or move back to cover after firing your first shot, also ATGMs is loud, I swear during that few seconds he has to hold that position he already revealed himself to your allies. If we let anything else that much time to shoot us, we are doomed anyway. Only vehicles that eat shit in this situation is all the T-72s variants because they can’t backoff.
and that makes him an EASIER target as you can literally shoot off the gunner with 8mm and get away without being shot. And it also has OPEN TOP so even HESH would do MUCH damage to it. And then theres that Wiesel whos AT ALL another deal.
It would be better comparision to say its alike M901.
Idk why ur comparing an autocannon with a TOW launcher. This wiesel is a 30mm cannon and can only shoot apds which mean a pretty piss poor post pen damage, the fire rate is also pretty low too compare to other vehicles at that br range ie. bmp-2 or any autocannon ifv really so the time to kill is much much longer. You keep saying that the unmanned turret is an op features but in reality it doesn’t have that much depression to even matter unlike stuff like the M901. In all of my game with the 1a4 i usually have to drive out of cover just to shoot at people anyway. Not to mention it not really tall enough to benefit from hiding behind concrete block or tank carcass and even if it does aside from scouting and taking potshot at enemy. The thing is a rat and should be used for flanking or recon gameplay, hiding behind something with your gun sticking out would only invite ppls to rangefind and drop a HE bomb on your head.
Does it have -3/+9? Or adequate -10/+20? Because i dont see this mentioned in article, hut see that its totally more than -3 - so that GIVES the opportunity to only show the cannon, which is OP feature especially at rank 6 where there are not much who shoot HEs.
Yes, but thats DIFFERENT cnanon with DIFFERENT penetration and angles. The 20mil cant do shit, especially wherr it stands rn. And the 30mil with approximately 100mm of pen WOULD do shit, as the Fox shows. And the higher the BR the less armor it is on the enemies.
And then should be discarded in incinerator, and giving so much of opportunity to play as a rat is just disgraceful.
The fox is also faster, have more armor, have higher fire rate so yes fr fr.
Honestly there are zero source that talked about the gun depression or traverse so that would be up to gaijin to search the archive which i don’t have access to. Also is it really op compare to other vehicle like the M901 or even the PUMA when it was at 8.7.
Except the fox is at 7.7 where it won’t have to face MBTs with stab and light tank that have better armament and speed compare to it, not to mention that once you killed someone cas will be on you immediately since ur a super lightly armored tank. Also the 20mm did do shit where it is, you just have to go for the side, not to mention the much higher fire rate and belt capacity, the cannon have high pen and no recoil but that’s it, the fire rate is only slightly faster than the PUMA, the gun won’t be able to pen stuff like Patton,T-54, T-62, Chieftain, did i also not mention 0 post pen damage?
Seems like u just hate rat tank in general, each tank have it pros/cons and with rat vehicle having low profile (this does), decent speed (at it br maybe not but still good enough) ofc there are down side too: No armor, low survivability, somewhat decent pen but low fire rate and no post pen.
This Wiesel tick the box for the rattiest of rat tank.