Well not really, with how tall the turret is, any well placed heatfs/ besh/he or atgm would overpressure it instantly. Not to mention artillery.
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bruh, can we NOT add that sneaky bastard with OP survivability AND unhabitant turret?
How does the wiesel have Op survivability tho? Paper thin armor that can be penned by a twig, it only have 2 crews so if 1 get killed the vehicle is knockout. The unmanned turret is an advantage sure but with how it was mounted and how tall it is, a well placed HE shot would be death sentence.
It only have the size and thernal advantage as it speed are now only average compare other light tank and mbt at 8.3-8.7.
Let not forget that it only have apds round as well (need more info on this) so even with irst lock it can’t kill heli and plane like other autocannon ifv or spaa at that br.
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the Wiesel has at least three men inside, it does not take damage with APFSDS shots AND does not pen with 12.7 to 20mm. And if it pens - its rarely more than yellow tankers.
AND this particular one gets an unhabitant turret.
and the only ones who have HE shells are USSR and China. Except them there are literally only SPAAs who have HEs, and those cant really do much. Plus using it`s size, this machine CAN do so you wont have a chance.
For example, the Fox has people in his turret, means anyone can kill or disarm it pretty well.
Thats absolutly not true, the .50 cal can easily go through the front, not to mention 20mm.
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kay, prove it ingame.
The truth is that you need a minute for shots to penerate that frontal with 50cals with some damage. And with all that time the Wiesel just runs away.
when i play any wiesel varient i get killed with 7.62 bro what are you yapping about
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When i play against any weasel i dont kill it with 3 M2s, not even mentioning the USSRs NSVt or the single M2
then its your aim thats the problem
the wiesel literally gets penned form everywhere if you don’t shot it while it has a good bit of angeling
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nah. “everywhere” means ANY point. And if it does not get penned within frontal panel -it does mean it IS NOT penned everywhere. Moreover, while it angles, it has some “slants” on the frontal which should also be penned while angling.
And if i need to search for a single pixel to penetrate Wiesel (also not mentioning the DAMAGE it gets within pen) that means its not pennable.
Only the wiesel 1a2 had a 3 person crew.
Try using heatfs or anything with explosive against it, also the wiesel literally have 8mm armor all around so I’m pretty sure even .30 cal can pen it.
What about HESH, HEATFS and ATGM?
Have you seen gepard overpressuring MBTs lol?
There’s a reason why i said it should be 8.3-8.7. I don’t see why it size would make it op, it doesn’t have armor, it have a pretty mid cannon for that br with a pretty low fire rate and some what decent pen. The speed isn’t that good for the br either ( the fox is faster btw) and with zill armor it must play very sneaky and do mostly scouting just like it predecessor the 1a4.
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I rather fight invisible tanks with stealth camo than dealing with CAS, I still have a higher probability of killing them than dodge the agm bullpup by A4E. I don’t know about you bro, no ground vehicles is more annoying than CAS, there is one that only a dude with bazooka expose behind the hill, that one is annoying but all you had to do it range find and HE that dude, or shoot your 7.62mm at him, and it doesn’t have too many of them to spare lol
HESH wont do shit if hits that unmanned turret, as it does nothing to M901 or R3T106s for example. HEATs also wont do shit with hitting the cannon- the machine is not open-top. And ATGMs on MBTs are also a USSR and China posessions.
Seen, never did myself
size only wouldnt. The brokeness of this chassis, unmanned turret, pretty decent cannon together would.
It may not become OP, tho it would become toxic asf for sure.
That brings a question: would adding a toxic little invisible brat remove the CAS? or it would just make your life more miserable as now cas AND this toxic brat ruin your gameplay?
That’s why we need a TO mode… Oops
so, to be clear: you need to: a) SPOT is b) withstand several its shots as you will spot is likely AFTER it will start shooting c) Shoot off your AP shot as you most likely WONT drive with HESH or HE loaded d)wait 5 to 10 seconds of reload withstanding its shots e)rangefind it and shoot f)pray that it wouldnt hide and move around (OR start moving front-back and keep shooting) straight as your cannon would point its way.
I see at least 4 steps where you can put an “Im dead” sign for several reasons.
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CM25 for example (which is a rat I personally find annoying), it has a dude holding a bazooka standing in an exposed position, and shooting ATGM which is not supersonic, in order to hit you, he has to remain exposed for a few seconds depending on the range, you have all the time in the world to hit it or move back to cover after firing your first shot, also ATGMs is loud, I swear during that few seconds he has to hold that position he already revealed himself to your allies. If we let anything else that much time to shoot us, we are doomed anyway. Only vehicles that eat shit in this situation is all the T-72s variants because they can’t backoff.
and that makes him an EASIER target as you can literally shoot off the gunner with 8mm and get away without being shot. And it also has OPEN TOP so even HESH would do MUCH damage to it. And then theres that Wiesel whos AT ALL another deal.
It would be better comparision to say its alike M901.
That thing always seems to blows up if you send an apfsds to the turret, and it ain’t a rat.
Idk why ur comparing an autocannon with a TOW launcher. This wiesel is a 30mm cannon and can only shoot apds which mean a pretty piss poor post pen damage, the fire rate is also pretty low too compare to other vehicles at that br range ie. bmp-2 or any autocannon ifv really so the time to kill is much much longer. You keep saying that the unmanned turret is an op features but in reality it doesn’t have that much depression to even matter unlike stuff like the M901. In all of my game with the 1a4 i usually have to drive out of cover just to shoot at people anyway. Not to mention it not really tall enough to benefit from hiding behind concrete block or tank carcass and even if it does aside from scouting and taking potshot at enemy. The thing is a rat and should be used for flanking or recon gameplay, hiding behind something with your gun sticking out would only invite ppls to rangefind and drop a HE bomb on your head.
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