Why was the F-15E/I nerfed after just one day?

[Lolman345]

So question are you referring to my statement above for the 130 nmi measure, if so, congrats you’ve been had, thats popular mechanics not the USN.

Secdef Carter stated that the SM-6 reaches out to 200 to 250 nmi as to be able to defeat modern hypersonic threats. He has said such on multiple occasions.

You are also aware that ballistic flight paths are optimal for AI right? Its almost like computed lofting for increased range is a thing.

@J_ackal

What seeker does the aim-174b use?

The AIM-174B is straight up just a SM-6 Block Ia without the additional booster, it has the same active radar and SARH seeker with all the midcourse hardware then SM-6 Block Ia has.

[J_ackal]

@Lolman345

The AIM-174B is straight up just a SM-6 Block Ia without the additional booster, it has the same active radar and SARH seeker with all the midcourse hardware then SM-6 Block Ia has.

Is there any public information about it? I’ve seen people say it is just an amraam seeker that’s why I’m asking

[MademoiselleSXXI]

Ah yes classic nationalistic biases. US aircraft are untouchable, that’s why the only one with a clean record, the F-15, had to fight ancient out of date mig-23s

[kitsune_qq]

@MademoiselleSXXI

mig-23s

and MiG-29’s. thats funny how ppl trying to implement that.

[MademoiselleSXXI]

2 unarmed fleeing Mig-29s only.

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@AlvisWisla

Also the 229 should be producing less thrust below mach 1 when in the F-15 than in the F-16 because the F-15 has higher channel losses due to the longer mach-2.7 compatible air channels.

Would help if the F-16 had -229s to begin with… I guess getting a good plane is too much to ask

[kitsune_qq]

and thats reason why 4 was shot down?)0
bruh

[MademoiselleSXXI]

2 were confirmed only, bro, the rest were mig-21s and 23s and an alouette 2 that was barely taking off.

[kitsune_qq]

@MademoiselleSXXI

2 were confirmed only

all depends on your sources.

[MademoiselleSXXI]

all depends on if you believe evidence, or self-hype and unsupported statements. In which you become no different from the bias of anyone else.

[TheArcticFoxxo]

The only time Germany has been “major” is when they got a Canadian aircraft almost a decade ago

[MademoiselleSXXI]

This is true, Americans have had a long time of seeing their fighters face weaker and older opponents, especially third world operators. When an F-16 faces a Mirage 2000, despite being the same time essentially, Mirage 2000 has shown to have the advantage. There’s no best planes, no divine right to intelligence, and no hard-lock on what nations can make a good design.
F-15E was overperforming based on bad choices and implementation on what to add, when, and how. Not because the US is magically the only nation to know modern technology.

However I doubt Gaijin would ever add true ECM, IRST view, Electro-Optical Targeting, Acoustic Tracking, and all the other systems shoved into a plane like the Rafale. People do not realize there’s different ways of making a good jet

[141_allen]

@Lolman345

Secdef Carter stated that the SM-6 reaches out to 200 to 250 nmi

State your source plz. I really want to find out more about this and where he says this kind of things.

[AlvisWisla]

Oh right, it’s the 129 and 100. In 129’s case it’s still a similar difference in 1040kph IAS thrust as the difference between PW & GE-229 with F-15.

[sartt]

@ZendikarHaven

Tell me with a straight face that a SU-57 is on par with an F-22 or F-35.

No it isn’t, but its superior to any other generational aircraft before it.

[sartt]

@MademoiselleSXXI

This is true, Americans have had a long time of seeing their fighters face weaker and older opponents,

what kind of stupid statement is this? What time period were U.S Planes always more dominant?

[MademoiselleSXXI]

What? No, I was saying Americans see themselves fight older jets and thus BELIEVE their jets are more dominant than they are, sorry for the confusion

[kimpromo2]

I mean you’re comparing apples and oranges here. The AIM-174 is much more analogous to something like the PL-17 or R-37M. It’s way heavier than smaller missiles like the AMRAAM, Meteor, or PL-15, and consequently causes a lot of drag and cannot be carried by stealth fighters. There’s a reason why AIM-260 development is still ongoing, since it and the AIM-174 fulfill different niches.

[SidewaysCube946]

Very well said

[Lolman345]

Standard Missile-6 (SM-6) Family of Missiles

@141_allen

State your source plz. I really want to find out more about this and where he says this kind of things.

Secdef Carter, I’ve already said this. That and you have yet to provide me with a source which I had already requested prior to you.

@kimpromo2

I mean you’re comparing apples and oranges here. The AIM-174 is much more analogous to something like the PL-17 or R-37M. It’s way heavier than smaller missiles like the AMRAAM, Meteor, or PL-15, and consequently causes a lot of drag and cannot be carried by stealth fighters. There’s a reason why AIM-260 development is still ongoing, since it and the AIM-174 fulfill different niches.

Stealth fighters cant carry them yet, it should be obvious that other craft will be getting rated for the use of the AIM-174, the F-18 series just happens to be the first out of the gate. To that same end neither the PL-17 or R-37M can still compete with the AIM-174 in the metric of range, combine this with the standard series’s legendary point defense maneuverability and its easy to see that the 174 would dominate at all ranges.