Other tanks dont deserve to be hindered this way
Why don’t they “deserve” to be modelled realistically? Just because Italy, France, and Israel developed their own tanks does not mean they should be artificially buffed or other tanks artificially nerfed.
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Yes, it absolutly does, just because they are underrepresented nations and because abrams and Leo are the reason top tier ground is so terrible, also dont forget that France also has 3 leopards…
The whole issue is that either every tank that has basket needs to get one, preferably all at once, or none should have it.
Its not about “deserves”.
Adding such feature and only using it to nerf certain vehicles is unfair no matter how you slice it.
The lamest argument ever.
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Gaijin continually makes this mistake, and it comes back to haunt them again and again. We saw it with spall liners and their selective implementation, we saw it with more detailed vehicle models etc.
We’re about to see it again with some nations getting much better SPAA and others not. Quite why they don’t just copy-paste SPAA until all nations have a new, more effective one is beyond me.
its true every one shoots your hull or neck or under your barrel no one shoots cheeks on any toptier tank
America has no strong top tier aviation. I can’t even remember when I last got killed by a US jet or chopper. Especially since stronK russian SPAA lock the airspace down for most jets and almost all airborne weapon systems. Only russians have the special situation that they have KH-38 crazy op A2G missiles and insufficient AA systems on the other side.
Aviation at top tier is only impactful on russian side. Be it choppers or KH-38 capable jets.
I’m gonna disagree, i play america top tier sometimes and don’t even have top cas but even in the f-16a i can kill a pantsir no problem and be effective at cas.
Main issue is that americans don’t really spawn cas, either because they don’t know how to actually do cas and just get swatted by pantsir, or they never get the points for it, or they don’t even have CAS because they’re premium ground players.
This issue is exacerbated by USSR having the best cas+spaa, thus attracting more experienced player to just cas stomp in ussr, but they used to cas stomp in US too.
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Yeah no. Abrams even after the turret ring nerf is only second to the Leopard 2.
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Lmao. You guys are beyond saving. Pick a side, does the autoloader/basket EAT or GENERATE spall. They function the same in terms of spalling, but you say it eats spall on the autoloader but generates it on the basket. The new modules eat spall, they don’t generate it.
As for this, I don’t even know what to say man, US players are something else.
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Ingame, note ingame
Autoloada eat spall
turret basket generate spall
which if u read the last sentence that is what RU autoloader frequently do
In real life
Both eat a certain amount of spall, not generating or eat a whole 120mm depleted uranium tungsten carbide dart going mach jesus
aslong as theres no hills i choose a T80 series over it any day
two issues with what you all claim:
1.gaijin doesn’t balance the game in terms of overperforming tank or overused nation or we would already be seeing the demise of the usa/russian tech tree for being overused. and that ok with me i played my merkava with the 6 sec loading time and find it acceptable. the problem i have with this turret basket update is the unrealistic damage module not every shot that hit the turret basket should take the whole system, not every part in the turret basket is connected to the mechanism that move the turret ring itself. but when you put unrealistic damage module and adding the fact that spall liner seems to do nothing you get that 90 percent of the incoming shots at you disable you completely either by taking your engine and turret basket or taking enough relevant crew members. and don’t get me wrong i adjusted my gameplay accordingly but its still annoying comparing the russian carousal that sometimes absorbs shots that just disable the autoloader and that’s it even though you see the shot you made going through the ammo in the carousal.
2. if you want to make the minor nation more interesting you don’t have to do it on the expense of the major nation, just add to those minor nation their unique tanks and aircrafts. gaijin are doing it really well with china top tier but neglect to do it with israel or japan. nerfing the leo’s and abrams wont make players go grind israel or japan it will make them go play russia cause its a shut your brain gameplay with overperforming CAS due to the kh 38mt on one of the better platforms in the game currently
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For the leopard at least this “nerf” is not even felt, on the contrary, the trunnion thing seems to absorb spall sometimes.
In the abrams i don’t notice it because you just get 1 shot most times, but i can see that for abrams it’s a bigger nerf, i remember having a hard time sometimes against abrams because of side shots not killing and resulting in the abrams getting a shot back. But that was already changed when they added the pump, the basket is just a drop of a “nerf”.
Edit: After checking the baskets the abrams basket is noticeably more “squished” and bigger, which means more spall can hit it damaging it, the leopard one is taller and slimmer, which means shrapnel has a lower chance of outright disabling it.
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merks just need armor modeled right from what i heard
pretty much every toptier can kill everytoptier
merks doesn’t need anything right now. the tank wasn’t design for facing modern tank in combat for its main purpose. slight increase in armor wont help its cause even modern analyze of the tank suggest that the front engine method wont help it stop most apfsds which is the state ingame already. they do need to correct its trophy system to react to the shallow flying kh38mt.
i can tell you from personal experience today and yesterday each shot that went into my leo were either killing 3/4 crew members or hitting the turret basket and creating enough spall to kill the engine also
Exactly. Or Germans or whoever. Except some streamlined youtube vids from content creators: How often do you really see F-16/15/EF2000/Apache etc beeing spawned and used with great success in GRB?
Stuff getting frequently spawned, even spammed or in contrast rarely spawned … Well that’s an indicator for opness (or lack of^^). It always has been like this. Vehicles which get good results get spammed. Stuff which is too complicated to use and has usually little success is just not spawned.
That’s the answer why the sky is usually full of Suchois and Kamovs, but not of F-15, Apache or EF2000. With alot skill you can make most things work. But thats not what matters.
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i dont play israel but sounds like a fair buff