If I had to choose, Ki-201
J7W2 seems fun, but sadly doesn’t seem to be a wartime design, but a post-war speculative design.
Suzuka 24 might have existed, but sources aren’t clear enough.
Which leaves Ki-201. It’s not an exception as per game rules, but an unfinished prototype, which is accepted by suggestion rules.
It is just needed to add T-33, T-1B, trained Vampire and T-1A (better engine and + missiles) and this line will close all spaces of Japanese vehicles at ~7.0-8.3.
But the issue is that for 10 years none of this planes were added and then Thai clones appeared
T-33 is not in the game already, would at the very least not be “copy paste” however not really a domestic Japanese plane.
T-1B it is at the very least “made in Japan worthy” sadly it will 100% be at the higher end of BR8 with the MiG-17s and Sabre’s with missiles.
In terms of gun firepower these planes looks awful on paper… 😅
The T-33 was produced under license, so at least it’s ever so slightly more relevant than imported/captured aircraft.
It depends if the T-1s actually get missiles, most likely AIM-9Bs. I’d rather they not (or at least one model without them, or put the missiles on a premium, whatever), since a much lower BR (sub-7.0) could be had, similar to He 162 and Strikemaster. 3x .50cals (at most, w/ 2 gunpods) certainly isn’t amazing but it’d be balanced out by being a jet facing mostly props.
If they get missiles there is no way that they’re gonna be 7.0 or lower.
The Vampire trainer had either 2 or 4 20mm cannons, depends on if the second seat is actually occupied IIRC.
Ki-201 should be added simply because we have kitbashed tanks that either didnt exist or were completely made up (ostwind II and zerstorer 45 as prime examples) - coelian 341 is more real than these 2
Ki-201 also has been found remains of the engine cowls, making it more plausable to add simply to fill in the BR gap or to just add more unique stuff for japan
The German Sea Hawk at 8.0 is the closest analog to the T-1s, in terms of flight performance and guided missile loadout. The Sea Hawk does have the advantage of 4x20mm Hispano Mk. V.
Without missiles though, a T-1 would fit in perfectly at 7.7 alongside similar jets.
The best domestic-only solution would be to have the following:
7.0/7.3: T-33 (toss up due to similar aircraft at either BR)
7.7: T-1 sans AIM-9s
8.0: T-1 with AIM-9s
Then a premium T.55 Vampire at the appropriate BR
This solves the issue of the paper R2Y2s with planes that actually flew for the JASDF (or imported for evaluation in the case of the Vampire).
The T-1s also deserve a place as being the first Japanese domestic post-war planes developed, military or otherwise.
Beautiful planes.
Well the T-1early? without missiles would likely have to be at best…
While T-1B with would probably be about br…
That leaves us with T-33 at maybe br…
If they also introduced the Ki-201 it will maybe be a step above Kikka or same?
All in all we could have a trio of 7 or below and one above 8, so at bare minimum one would be a premium for sure…
Personally, I’m a “why not both” kind of guy.
Put the Western/Thai jets in for more conventional capabilities.
Put the weird domestic prototypes in because they’re cool and weird.
Both have a place in War Thunder.
Me too, but please get them right.
With the recent Thai planes especially, there’s some painfully easy to avoid mistakes made just because Gaijin wanted to cheaply copy some existing aircraft. Alpha Jets having wrong engines (and still wrong thrust after the “fix”) just because they wanted to copy the German tree aircraft, F-5A having AIM-9E instead of the 9P it actually used just because they copied the US one and AV-8S was initially just an AV-8A without any changes until Gaijin read the many bug reports on it.
Then there’s the weird way they handled aircraft that weren’t just copies, like how their Thai F-16A Block 15 OCU seems like they googled “Thai F-16”, looked at at most 10 images of different variants, threw them in a blender and then put that in the game, or how the F-5T SCU somehow lost capabilities compared to the FCU for absolutely no reason.
It’s like they didn’t really care about Thai planes at all, just wanted to throw out content with little effort…
Both is fine when Japan is near complete, tough they have not even nearly completed the Japanese one yet… Should they not do that first?
It’s kind of useless to argue/complain about that now though. It’s over, Gaijin chose. Better to use the effort to correct mistakes on the existing aircraft and advocate for the new ones you want added.
The T-1B is definitely not RB 9.0 material.
Take the F40 Sabre, an actual 9.0 plane. It not only has a ~200-290km/h advantage, it can also carry both sidewinders with 3x as much firepower.
The T-1B most closely matches the German Sea Hawk at 8.0 in terms of flight performance and suspended armament.
Heck, even the F9F8 at 8.3 is faster and carries more guns + the same missiles as the T-1 series.
Way too high. Remember, the T-1s only had one internal .50cal and the T-33 only two. Gunpods were available for the T-1s, bringing it to a max of 3.
3x .50cals is just too light when the flight performance is not that great.
The T-33 itself is an F-80C, with a lengthened fuselage for the second seat (heavier) and one third of the firepower. Two .50cals and a minor BR reduction is just not enough and it’d be terrible. Usually even minor firepower differences are just one BR step, halving the firepower is roughly 2 steps. This would have to be 7.0 at most, more likely 6.7 where the 262 A-2a is.
T-1s are in a tough spot as they only have 2 hardpoints and ONE internal .50cal. If you bring two missiles, that’s it. If you want to have any more firepower, you can’t have missiles. It’s also not that fast, being barely faster than a He 162. So again, I’d just forego the missiles and put it at 6.0-6.3.
T-33 should probably be BRed as a lower end P-80 since it traded firepower for a bit more performance?
Yes, and the two P-80s are 7.0 and 7.7.
I’m all for lower BRs, 6.7-7.0 would be good for the T-33.
But the T-1 without missiles but with gunpods would be an upgrade over the Kikka, which is already at 7.0.
The T-1 is also an improvement over the T-33, so imo should go 7.0-7.3 at minimum, but ideally at 7.7.
So we have:
T-33 for 7.0
T-1B (because weaker engine then T-1A, I think it is better here ) - 7.3
Vampire - 7.7/8.0 (this aircraft is trainer so maybe it has less performance, if yes it could be at 7.7)
T-1A (better engine than T-1B + AIM-9B) - 8.0.
Sounds like ideal way for closing gaps at Japanese tree from 7.0 (Kikka) to 8.3 (F-86F) and even Thailand it not really needed here (it is more needed for 10.0+, there I don’t know any variants)
Kikka is faster and can onetap enemies.
Is it actually faster?
And while people can one tap with the 30mm, the trade off is the low ammo count. Not everyone has that trigger discipline.
The 3x 50. cals with more ammo allows you to stay in the fight longer, even though each gun will do less damage than a 30mm.
A little. T-1C tops out at 873kph or 850kph (depends on source, see suggestion), Kikka does 880kph.
I dunno, killing with 30s is just a few hits at most. .50cals are gonna take much more.
