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Engines were built, which is more than certain other vehicles in the game, and enough for a suggestion.
It might still be controversial, chances are it’s never added, but it’s not impossible.
J7W1 was not a jet prototype, it was the intended aircraft “J7W2” was a post-war idea of a theoretical jet conversion.
Debatable, since there is some evidence of a “Suzuka 24” as per US intel. But it’s vague and not enough to really prove it or model it in game.
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Suzuka 24 has two 20mm guns?!! The converted Ohka seen in the anime Konpeki no Kantai only had one…
Nice to finally find the source of the inspired fictional craft, it would be even better! Actually they could implement both and have the latter be a upgrade for it like they did with the Kikka? 😍
*Partially built and has enough to be added as per gaijin’s requirements
Eeehhh I am unsure about replacing fictional R2Y2 with even more fictional ‘gunned Ohka’
If we really, really need to choose from one of these
Because you guys don’t want any more Western jets to replace domestic one
Then, sounds like #1 is the only plausible option
Almost paper, partially built. but better than a post-war idea or manned missile with no warhead but 20mm anti-tank rifle.
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That would solve the Arcade issue of Japan not having enough 7.0 jets, OG players have no issue they have 3 total of BR 7.3 jets while new players if the Ki-201 gets added probably gets
- Kikka (7.0)
- Karyu (7.3?)
- F-84G (7.7)
Tossing more universal backups at players feels more like a bandaid than a fix…
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If I had to choose, Ki-201
J7W2 seems fun, but sadly doesn’t seem to be a wartime design, but a post-war speculative design.
Suzuka 24 might have existed, but sources aren’t clear enough.
Which leaves Ki-201. It’s not an exception as per game rules, but an unfinished prototype, which is accepted by suggestion rules.
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It is just needed to add T-33, T-1B, trained Vampire and T-1A (better engine and + missiles) and this line will close all spaces of Japanese vehicles at ~7.0-8.3.
But the issue is that for 10 years none of this planes were added and then Thai clones appeared
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T-33 is not in the game already, would at the very least not be “copy paste” however not really a domestic Japanese plane.
T-1B it is at the very least “made in Japan worthy” sadly it will 100% be at the higher end of BR8 with the MiG-17s and Sabre’s with missiles.
In terms of gun firepower these planes looks awful on paper… 😅
The T-33 was produced under license, so at least it’s ever so slightly more relevant than imported/captured aircraft.
It depends if the T-1s actually get missiles, most likely AIM-9Bs. I’d rather they not (or at least one model without them, or put the missiles on a premium, whatever), since a much lower BR (sub-7.0) could be had, similar to He 162 and Strikemaster. 3x .50cals (at most, w/ 2 gunpods) certainly isn’t amazing but it’d be balanced out by being a jet facing mostly props.
If they get missiles there is no way that they’re gonna be 7.0 or lower.
The Vampire trainer had either 2 or 4 20mm cannons, depends on if the second seat is actually occupied IIRC.
Ki-201 should be added simply because we have kitbashed tanks that either didnt exist or were completely made up (ostwind II and zerstorer 45 as prime examples) - coelian 341 is more real than these 2
Ki-201 also has been found remains of the engine cowls, making it more plausable to add simply to fill in the BR gap or to just add more unique stuff for japan
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The German Sea Hawk at 8.0 is the closest analog to the T-1s, in terms of flight performance and guided missile loadout. The Sea Hawk does have the advantage of 4x20mm Hispano Mk. V.
Without missiles though, a T-1 would fit in perfectly at 7.7 alongside similar jets.
The best domestic-only solution would be to have the following:
7.0/7.3: T-33 (toss up due to similar aircraft at either BR)
7.7: T-1 sans AIM-9s
8.0: T-1 with AIM-9s
Then a premium T.55 Vampire at the appropriate BR
This solves the issue of the paper R2Y2s with planes that actually flew for the JASDF (or imported for evaluation in the case of the Vampire).
The T-1s also deserve a place as being the first Japanese domestic post-war planes developed, military or otherwise.
Beautiful planes.
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Well the T-1early? without missiles would likely have to be at best…
- AB 7.7 - RB 7.7 - SB 8.0
While T-1B with would probably be about br…
- AB 8.3 - RB 9.0 - SB 9.3
That leaves us with T-33 at maybe br…
- AB 6.7 - RB 7.0 - SB 7.0
If they also introduced the Ki-201 it will maybe be a step above Kikka or same?
All in all we could have a trio of 7 or below and one above 8, so at bare minimum one would be a premium for sure…
Personally, I’m a “why not both” kind of guy.
Put the Western/Thai jets in for more conventional capabilities.
Put the weird domestic prototypes in because they’re cool and weird.
Both have a place in War Thunder.
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Me too, but please get them right.
With the recent Thai planes especially, there’s some painfully easy to avoid mistakes made just because Gaijin wanted to cheaply copy some existing aircraft. Alpha Jets having wrong engines (and still wrong thrust after the “fix”) just because they wanted to copy the German tree aircraft, F-5A having AIM-9E instead of the 9P it actually used just because they copied the US one and AV-8S was initially just an AV-8A without any changes until Gaijin read the many bug reports on it.
Then there’s the weird way they handled aircraft that weren’t just copies, like how their Thai F-16A Block 15 OCU seems like they googled “Thai F-16”, looked at at most 10 images of different variants, threw them in a blender and then put that in the game, or how the F-5T SCU somehow lost capabilities compared to the FCU for absolutely no reason.
It’s like they didn’t really care about Thai planes at all, just wanted to throw out content with little effort…
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Both is fine when Japan is near complete, tough they have not even nearly completed the Japanese one yet… Should they not do that first?
It’s kind of useless to argue/complain about that now though. It’s over, Gaijin chose. Better to use the effort to correct mistakes on the existing aircraft and advocate for the new ones you want added.
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The T-1B is definitely not RB 9.0 material.
Take the F40 Sabre, an actual 9.0 plane. It not only has a ~200-290km/h advantage, it can also carry both sidewinders with 3x as much firepower.
The T-1B most closely matches the German Sea Hawk at 8.0 in terms of flight performance and suspended armament.
Heck, even the F9F8 at 8.3 is faster and carries more guns + the same missiles as the T-1 series.
Way too high. Remember, the T-1s only had one internal .50cal and the T-33 only two. Gunpods were available for the T-1s, bringing it to a max of 3.
3x .50cals is just too light when the flight performance is not that great.
The T-33 itself is an F-80C, with a lengthened fuselage for the second seat (heavier) and one third of the firepower. Two .50cals and a minor BR reduction is just not enough and it’d be terrible. Usually even minor firepower differences are just one BR step, halving the firepower is roughly 2 steps. This would have to be 7.0 at most, more likely 6.7 where the 262 A-2a is.
T-1s are in a tough spot as they only have 2 hardpoints and ONE internal .50cal. If you bring two missiles, that’s it. If you want to have any more firepower, you can’t have missiles. It’s also not that fast, being barely faster than a He 162. So again, I’d just forego the missiles and put it at 6.0-6.3.
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T-33 should probably be BRed as a lower end P-80 since it traded firepower for a bit more performance?