The Vijayanta, the Action X, the Churchill, the AC IV.
Vij has no notable advantage over the Action X, while also having 150mm less pen than the Action X, Action X has no notable armor and keeps creeping up while they also nerfed sabot into the ground, the Churchill can’t kill anything at its own rank essentially and is almost always uptiered into things that can pen it from the front, and the AC IV has nothing, shells inferior to the sabot of the Comet and other 5.3 tanks.
??? Is this stuff not common knowledge, Britain’s stuff was introduced at lower BRs for a reason, they have nothing but gun, and yet have consistently had BR creep upwards for no justification and sabot is just nerfed into the ground again.
Let’s get over the British stabilizer myth right now: it’s essentially not a stabilizer, it can’t look over hills without bouncing.
Action X having good pen and nothing else is a lmao. Again, with Sabot being nerfed into the ground you can bounce on side shots on IS-3s with the fucking Conquerer. Sabot also needs to be exceptionally well aimed too because of virtually no post pen damage, and with the tanks it faces having spaced out crews and typically well designed ammo racks, yeah nah. And you can’t argue that a Premium should be “decent” when other nations consistently get amazing ones. Yes, the Action X is decent, which means it’s overtiered.
The Churchill literally can’t pen the flat front plate of the Tiger, a tank it will face constantly due to it being .6 br above it. Let alone any of the Panthers. The Tiger of which can pen it from the front in small places yes, but it absolutely can machine gun port you, along with the top slope of the turret. If you angle with your tracks, yes, it can have full hull down protection, except again, they can still get through the top of your turret, and are more than double your speed. Lmao. And again, you literally cannot pen it from the front, and that’s only the worst version of the heavy tanks you will face. Like brother it can barely, barely, pen the front of the Hetzer, a tank lower in BR than it, and if you manage to hit the miniscule slot, you will get a single crew member and that’s it. To say the Churchill isn’t over BR’d is nonsense. And I get it, it does become a bit of a mess at lower BRs, but it almost never gets downtiers, and even then any good players can easily flank around it and kill it.
I’d say lowering it’s BR would ruin the lineup but it’s literally not worth taking in a 4.7 lineup because the Achilles and Concept 3 are better in literally every way
It’s part philosophy that Britain is balanced around the gun, but yeah I mean the British tanks even at 4.7 are just bad, and it’s arguably their best tier because if you use Achilles-Concept 3-Avenger-Firefly while you have no armor, no reverse gear, no survivability, only 2 of them having speed, at least you can kill just about anything. Just takes a very good playstyle comparatively. and the Churchill fails in everything.
AC IV lmao, IS-1 has better armor than it at the same tier and isn’t a premium, while also being able to one shot it in the turret with its stock round. You can also one shot it THROUGH THE TRANSMISSION. BY A TANK AT THE SAME BR AS IT AS A STOCK. Just. I know you don’t know what you’re talking about but yeah dude. If you’re struggling to kill British tanks because of “armor” it’s almost always because of terrible aim.
and again my point isn’t that these are terrible tanks (except the churchill and vij)
my point is that they’re only meh at best, they require strong aim, great awareness/positioning just to be good. As such, yeah it’s absolutely overtiered when most other nations get plug and play tanks constantly that if not stellar, tend to be >good< rather than just “it can work”. Britain can’t even get good premiums.
It has VERY trolly armour, I’ve bounced some (not many but some) Russian rounds and heaps of German rounds.
That’s more of a problem with APDS and not the tank itself, while it does negate the capabilities, as soon as APDS is fixed it will be amazing again.
I’ve never had a problem with this, I know where tank modules are and I shoot there.
Yes, premiums should be “decent” and op vehicles should not be locked behind a pay wall. Having a premium being “decent” doesn’t make it overtiered.
No, it will not, I don’t know why you are trying this at all. The 75mm was chosen because the Churchill was an Infantry Tank, the 75’s purpose was to use the HE to demolish emplacements and enemy infantry, NOT as a tank killer.
Not if angled, nor played properly.
Hoorah trolly volumetrics go brrrrr. I’ve never been killed through the MG port.
Woah! A tank has a weakness. This must mean that it is overtiered, barely anyone knows this weak spot, so is kind of irrelevant.
Again, it was never meant to be fast, nor a tank killer
The armour on the Churchill is amazing. It can easily bounce Panthers if played right. Yes, you can kill it, yes, you can have a hard time in it. I have have had many times where I am sitting there, watching as Tigers helplessly try to pen me, and they can’t.
Achilles is better in gun and maneuverability, that’s it. Concept is just SARC but with a roof, it is not nearly as good as a Churchill.
Why is it, that the moment you get a bad gun in the British tree you call the tank bad? The Churchill is an amazing tank that I have no problems using, even in full uptiers.
How does the Churchill fail? It has a completely different role (both in War Thunder and in real life) compared to the Firefly.
It does not have better armour than the AC IV because of how interestingly sloped it is, the AC IV can bounce any shells that aren’t APCBC nor Russian (With a bit of luck and/or range) The AC IV can one shot the IS-1 in the turret, through the hull with it’s stock round.
Ok buddy. I am willing to bet that I know what I’m talking about.
I never struggle to face British tanks, I play them, so on the odd occasion I do go up against them I know exactly where to shoot them to counter them.
They do in the air tree, not so much in ground, but they still have outliers, like the Crusader “The Saint”, the Achilles, Cromwell RP-3, Churchill Crocodile, and many more
stabilizer that has no speed to back it up and barely works, woo! Still doesn’t make the tank good.
you can’t keep saying “trolly armor” each time man, yay it survives a random 1 in 10 game shot that doesn’t make the tank good.
it has no speed, no armor, and no post pen damage, when sabot is fixed it’ll just go back to being solid, which again, is the point that no, britain doesn’t get good premiums, just alright ones. When other nations get great to amazing premiums it’s kind of a total slap in the face lmao.
“yes the churchill is useless at killing tanks how does that mean it’s not good in a game about killing other tanks”
The AC.IV has a good gun, woo! Of course you’re only stating that in one place and from the rest of the front it cannot, but yes under good circumstances you can one shot through the drivers’ port and through a part of the lower hull. 17 pounders can do damage under some circumstances, that’s what Britain is balanced around. While the AC.IV has numerous front on weak spots despite being a premium, and is reliant on solid shot, not an explosive filler ammo. Aka: It’s weaker. Aka: It’s just an okay tank. I mean comparatively to the British tree it’s good for having occasional armor, but yeah it’s not a “good” premium. Which again, is my point, Britain doesn’t get >good< premiums. No KV-220s, no T-28s, no Brummbar, no Maus, no entire IS line of Premiums, no nuclear tank, no VFW, no Vidar, no Somua, no STRV 103, no Object 120 or T-10. No 2C Bis or Short Gun, no Ho-Ri Prototype. Britain has nothing better than alright.
As someone who can say I have too much of an addiction for the 106mm RR as a whole - it went up because of decompressional changes, if you wanted to know why. That’s it. Yes, that’s actually the entire answer. It’s why the AUBL and FIAT 6614 etc also went up to 6.7 (which I also find to be hilarious since the AUBL while fast lacks good postpen and the FIAT is also fast but ultimately a worse M50) around two patches ago when they decompressed 7.X-8.X and made some room for 6.7.
I personally do not see a reason for it to be 8.3 like what the second guy in the post says. By that logic the M50 and other vehicles like it should just all be pushed to 8.X because ‘it has HEATFS’ completely disregarding their lack of utility on larger maps alongside their generally lacking head-on combat abilities. It’s like saying vehicles like the Ikv 103 should be at say, 7.X-8.X because it fires HEATFS but there’s probably a good reason why it’s currently a 4.X. It lacks a stabilizer (yes, the M48A1/M47 etc also lack stabilizers but the M60A1 AOS has one at 8.3 and the M48 really didn’t need to go up to 7.7 to begin with so I don’t see too big a problem there) and your ability to use terrain is a bit mixed down to the gun angles being a bit restrictive in the elevation rather than the vertical (inverse issue of Soviet tanks etc). It’s a good tank but lacks long range capabilities and also lacks the more uniform versatility that tanks like the M47 offers and is ultimately a sidegrade unless you have a fair bit of experience in the game.
Everyone knows the T-114 should be 6.7. Everyone talks about it here on the forums, reddit, Twitter (X), and all other forms of social media. The T-114 is treated so very badly. Very badly.
Just the other day a guy comes up to me and says,
“Pterodactly, I hear Gaijin is really going to mess up the new BR changes by not adding the T-114 to the list and bringing it down to 6.7 where it belongs. Everyone knows it belongs there! We talk about this all the time!”
I said,
“I dont know why Gaijin doesnt listen to me. I have the best ideas. The biggest Ideas. The T-114 to 6.7 is a no brainer. I thought of that in my sleep. Because I get the best ideas in my sleep. My pillow is so soft. Soft like clouds. Flying so high. Like my idea to bring the T-114 to 6.7”
I hope gaijin doesnt mess up this BR change patch and puts the T-114 to 6.7 where it truly belongs. If anyone thinks otherwise your wrong, because I have the best Ideas.
“no armor best armor” is a thing because over penning happens all the time… Things with no armor survive EXTREMELY well , the T114 does as well… Yes, it can and does die to machine guns and low pen rounds. However… because of how the game works… it survives shots, and good players can play without even getting shot… and this thing can easily kill 5 people.
Slight nitpick, for HEAT, the filler amount in the game engine gets (or is supposed to get) “used up” by going through thicker armor, so the post pen is variable based on how much you had to go through to get the pen. So in most cases, 2x the filler will actually be like 3x or more the post pen damage.
Whether that’s buggy at all I dunno, but it at least vaguely works as intended, as that does explain why it almost always overpressures open tops where it only had to go through like 2mm
(it is also possible that it “uses up” more energy per mm if it’s a larger caliber which would make it almost impossible to estimate by eye)