If you are trying to hull down with an autocannon ifv, you are probably doing it wrong. Especially when you have the pen numbers to lfp most of the vehicles you fight. If you haven’t learned how to use -5 gun depression by 10.3 russia, you won’t find success in any russian vehicle no matter how OP it is.
It’s supposed to be an AA vehicle at the origins. It’s normal it has bad gun depression.
There is no need to lower its BR that significantly. It has to go 12.0 all the way.
11.3 is too high of a BR.
And no, only players that want unfair placement would be happy with 11.3.
Also it doesn’t remove scouting: Wiesel.
Also, it’s not a SPAA exclusively IRL. It’s a multirole light vehicle.
Also F-18A is more OP than 2S38.
Close quarters maps where there’s no where to hide the side armor of T-series tanks.
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have you ever been against that thing when its hull down?
It makes sense if the IFV has a non humanized turret though.
You can harass people’s barrel and tracks without risking your crew members, scout, and even kill on the side if you flank.
And again, At the risk of repeating myself, but I am right… None of the ones you mentioned are -1 whole BR lower, as is the case with the 2s38, which is currently 10.3 when it should be at BR 11.3. It’s one thing to say that a vehicle is strong at its BR, but it’s another to point out that a vehicle is OP like the 2s38
EDIT: typo fixed
Also F-18A is more OP than 2S38？？？？？
What a joke
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eh, its not that strong. It has no deck armor. HE, HESH, or HEAT will all overpressure the crew. Thats the point though, you can’t take a hit like every ifv and shouldn’t be sitting around at long distance hull down. You have a ttk comparable to almost any other mbt with lfp hits. Half of what you face you can center mass. Almost no other autocannon can do that. That hull down is your requirement for an autocannon ifv is absurd.
That is correct, if we multiply you by 16 and put you and all your clones into the same team, then your team gets steamrolled regardless of which nation you play. You can pick the so-called OP as hell vehicles and you still get steamrolled, because the problem isn’t the vehicles.
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If it is acceptable for OTOMATIC to have BR 11.3, it is also acceptable for 2s38 to have BR 11,3.
I am sorry, but the manufacturer of 2s38 has classified it as SPAA.
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False equivalence fallacy.
OTOMATIC is not a 2S38, and 2S38 is not an OTOMATIC.
Compare 2S38 to its actual class of vehicles: VCC-80/60, Begleitpanzer, HSTVL, RDF/LT, Strf 9040C, Ajax, etc…
And no, the manufacturer has classified the vehicle as multi-role.
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The thing is, the 2S38 isn’t worthy of being above 11.0, and neither is the otomatic.
And it’s well known, I have 15 clones already on this earth. They always play with me, and that’s the reason why I constantly see NATO teams loosing under a minute at 12.7 GRB.
And no, the manufacturer has classified the vehicle as SPAA… Just because you want it to be a multi-role vehicle doesn’t mean it becomes one.
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Could’ve been simply gained maybe, there’s also a weakspot on the leopard 2’s cheeks where the gunner sight is, it’s about one pixel big, but it’s possible to accidentally hit it
No one said the otomatic is good. I have no idea why it’s at 11.3, probably because gaijin treats it as if it were a better 2s38 because of the radar and better penetration (it does have good pen tho, you can oneshot/,two shot people from the front).
On the 2s38’s note: autocannons, including 2s38, hstvl, rdflt, etc. in general are more skilled to play since in order to play them well you need to know where the weakspots are because otherwise you’ll spend 10 seconds spamming to kill someone when you could’ve just oneshotted them with an MBT.
I know multiple people who bought the 2s38 at like lvl 20 thinking it was blatantly overpowered and only started actually playing it after 2k hours in game because they couldn’t perform in it at all before.
And “you can deal with enemies frontally by taking their tracks and barrel”, unless you’re playing against a low-level or someone oblivious, there’s no way you live long enough to hit at least two consecutive hits to the barrel to destroy it.
Again, in an autocannon you need multiple shots for everything while mbt’s only need one.
I know that Otomatic isn’t good, but we’re talking about the 2s38 here, and I think it’s fair to point out the inconsistency that the developers have with the Russian premium vehicle 2s38 in keeping it at a lower BR than vehicles weaker than the 2s38, such as Otomatic… or how they have incorrectly classified the 2S38 just to give it scouting capabilities, even though it is an SPAA.
Furthermore, the 2s38 can also penetrate frontal armour in some cases, but the fact that it can fire continuously without overheating gives it a huge advantage, as it can blind the enemy while disabling the enemy tank (by hitting it in the tracks or barrel) and then destroy it safely.
And there are players who use it comfortably at BR 11.3 because the 2s38 still works well even at that BR, so why isn’t it at BR 11.3? Like the Otomatic? (Rhetorical question) Simply because this vehicle is not balanced, it is simply a “pay to win”… And I’m sure that incompetent players will still get themselves killed in stupid ways and then go and cry to the developers that their precious vehicle isn’t OP enough.
Always better than the “trust me friend” that you say when you want to have a better vehicle than it actually is.
LMAO the only one here who’s delusional is you, keep crying because you can’t win without the crutch, and no the vehicle you mentioned is not comparable to 2s38 make up another excuse, you’re really good at that ;)
It’s true that you can put it at 11.3 and perform just as well if not better in the 2s38. That is true because if you’re competent, the pros of the 2s38 don’t change higher in br, actually they only get more pronounced since flanking is easier as higher br tanks get slower. But complaining about that is like saying (slight over exaggeration) that something like a kv2 should be moved up because if you’re good you can reliably deal with tanks at top tier. Like, yeah, you can do that but it doesn’t mean that it’s overpowered at the br it’s at.
The pointed out inconsistencies are fair, but those are all around the game: Wiesel 1a4 is an spaa but gets scouting (also it shouldn’t even be an spaa), etc. you could make the 2s38 an AA and still give it scouting because some AA’s have that.
I believe this changes constantly and is tied to what RU vehicle in question does better.
Armor = Uhm guys, why do they have better armor than me, it’s unfair.
Firepower/reload = Uhm guys, why do they have better firepower/reload than me, it’s unfair.
Found the delusional pasta main.
T58 is several times more broken than 2S38 ever was, but you’ll ignore that as it doesn’t fit your agenda.
Surely this isn’t worth a +1 increase in BR.
