Perhaps you haven’t noticed, but the entire Warthunder community agrees that it should be classified as SPAA provided that:
Once this change has been made, all players will be happy. Players will be happy those who say that putting it as SPAA makes it stronger. Players will be happy those who don’t want this vehicle at BR 10.3 but rightly want it at BR 11.3.
Nah, none of the ones you mentioned are even remotely as broken or overpowered as the Russian 2s38 ones. There are too many small things that add up to be clearly Russian bias. The selective and arbitrary nature of which sources they allow for bug reports, the requirement to spend GE or a ludicrous amount of time to get an equivalent reload to a bone stock Russian MBT at top tier if you don’t have an autoloader, the majority of maps being CSGO style flat maps with no way for NATO tanks to hide their hull, the placement of the LRF at rank 4 on most NATO MBTs, while it’s at rank 2 for most Russian ones, the constant addition of entirely busted or at minimum very meta premiums to Russia’s 10.3 lineup (they even tried to do it with the BMPT), Gaijin’s refusal to do composite armor correctly meaning that most NATO vehicles that IRL are designed to withstand Russian 30mm just get shredded by even 14.5 and fifty cal, the refusal to add features like IRST to vehicles such as the CV90s (which it essentially has IRL) despite every Russian IFV having it, Russia having by far the best SPAAs at most BRs until the very top (where they had the Pantsir that dominated for an extremely long time), and more. There is absolutely premium bias, but there is most certainly also Russian bias.
The T58 had better stats than the BMPT-72 ever has and ever will.
The 2S38 is worse for its BR than the Turm III is for its own BR, but both should go up.
The Somua is better than the 8.0 Char25T.
The Pzh2000 should be 8.3, along with the Vidar.
And if we want talk about P2W premium aircraft, you need to mention the ariete in air sim. There’s also formerly the XP-50, Ju-288, and the F-89 with guns.
The 13.3 Su-30s are ridiculous at 13.3, and need to be 13.7.
OP premiums aren’t exclusive to Russia, and they don’t even have the most OP ones.
If you haven’t upgraded your crews even slightly that’s on you. Top tier Russian MBTs didn’t even have a reload increase greater than 0.1 seconds either.
Germany is better in that regard. America also has the best 8.0-9.0 SPAAs too, and even a radar guided one at 7.3.
For the record, nobody cares about the acceleration, top speed, reverse speed or even gun depression.
Because top tier games always end the same : you’re getting spawnkilled in less than 35 seconds.
So no, the 2S38 is not balanced. Less gun depression, less speed is not a balance equivalence of penetration / armor / reload speed
Your point being
Because Russia bias
th 2S38 is pure pain, at least you can safely go hull down with good depression with the HSYV-L
If you are trying to hull down with an autocannon ifv, you are probably doing it wrong. Especially when you have the pen numbers to lfp most of the vehicles you fight. If you haven’t learned how to use -5 gun depression by 10.3 russia, you won’t find success in any russian vehicle no matter how OP it is.
It’s supposed to be an AA vehicle at the origins. It’s normal it has bad gun depression.
There is no need to lower its BR that significantly. It has to go 12.0 all the way.
11.3 is too high of a BR.
And no, only players that want unfair placement would be happy with 11.3.
Also it doesn’t remove scouting: Wiesel.
Also, it’s not a SPAA exclusively IRL. It’s a multirole light vehicle.
Also F-18A is more OP than 2S38.
Close quarters maps where there’s no where to hide the side armor of T-series tanks.
have you ever been against that thing when its hull down?
It makes sense if the IFV has a non humanized turret though.
You can harass people’s barrel and tracks without risking your crew members, scout, and even kill on the side if you flank.
And again, At the risk of repeating myself, but I am right… None of the ones you mentioned are -1 whole BR lower, as is the case with the 2s38, which is currently 10.3 when it should be at BR 11.3. It’s one thing to say that a vehicle is strong at its BR, but it’s another to point out that a vehicle is OP like the 2s38
EDIT: typo fixed
Also F-18A is more OP than 2S38？？？？？
What a joke
eh, its not that strong. It has no deck armor. HE, HESH, or HEAT will all overpressure the crew. Thats the point though, you can’t take a hit like every ifv and shouldn’t be sitting around at long distance hull down. You have a ttk comparable to almost any other mbt with lfp hits. Half of what you face you can center mass. Almost no other autocannon can do that. That hull down is your requirement for an autocannon ifv is absurd.
That is correct, if we multiply you by 16 and put you and all your clones into the same team, then your team gets steamrolled regardless of which nation you play. You can pick the so-called OP as hell vehicles and you still get steamrolled, because the problem isn’t the vehicles.
If it is acceptable for OTOMATIC to have BR 11.3, it is also acceptable for 2s38 to have BR 11,3.
I am sorry, but the manufacturer of 2s38 has classified it as SPAA.
False equivalence fallacy.
OTOMATIC is not a 2S38, and 2S38 is not an OTOMATIC.
Compare 2S38 to its actual class of vehicles: VCC-80/60, Begleitpanzer, HSTVL, RDF/LT, Strf 9040C, Ajax, etc…
And no, the manufacturer has classified the vehicle as multi-role.
The thing is, the 2S38 isn’t worthy of being above 11.0, and neither is the otomatic.