Mainly because it’s Russian prejudice and it’s a ‘pay to win’ vehicle, which is why they keep it at a low BR (I’m surprised that only the Russians have pay-to-win vehicles). It should at least be at BR 11.3, but then Russian players complain because they need a crutch to win.
EDIT: Reported by trolls… If saying that 2s38 is a vehicle and a ‘pay-to-win’ and my message gets censored for that, then you are just trying to censor a fact that literally everyone knows. All players know that 2S38 is a ‘pay-to-win’ vehicle.
LMAO, balanced? No, it’s not. How much are they paying you to defend Russian OP vehicles? OTOMATIC sta a BR 11,3 ed è peggiore sotto ogni aspetto del 2s38
OTOMATIC:
Disadvantages:
High profile reduces survivability
Ammunition stored anywhere inside the turret and hull; if hit, you will explode, greatly reducing survivability
Can only carry 12 APDFSDS shells, so you are unable to pose a threat
Advantage:
Only good at destroying helicopters
2s38:
Disadvantages:
Nobody
Advantage:
Low profile, high survivability
Amphibious vehicle, high mobility
More Faster than the OTOMATIC
More mobile than the OTOMATIC
Can perform scouting despite being an SPAA, but Gaijin has classified it as a light vehicle to give it this additional bonus
Cannon never overheats, can continue firing indefinitely.
Can target both aircraft and helicopters, as in real life it was designed as an SPAA and in the game it can also perform that role despite being classified as a light vehicle, so the 2s38 can perform scouting.
It can carry 148 APDFSDS. Enemy vehicles that the 2s38 struggles to penetrate with its frontal armour can be easily neutralised by destroying their tracks and gun barrel with extreme simplicity since his cannon can fire continuously without overheating, allowing you to safely flank the enemy and then destroy it.
Now I bet you’ll use the excuse of greater penetration of OTOMATIC shell, despite the OTOMATIC only having 12 APDFSDS rounds, which makes it totally useless in battle.
Do everyone a favour and just tell the truth: the 2s38 is a “pay to win” vehicle. You will appear more honest instead of saying that 2s38 is ‘balanced’.
It doesn’t matter. If you really want to stat shame you should look at Thunder Skill or Statshark. But I will share with you and everyone else, that stat shaming is frowned upon by the mods on these forums. It is technically against the rules on the forums, but typically isn’t strongly enforced unless a user is “stat shaming” to be insulting. IF another player gives their approval to post their stats, it’s fair game. And/or if a player posts their own stats, etc.
Point still stands, looking at the level, kills, wins, K/D, Statshark numbers of another player who killed you wastes time. You are better off spawning back in and playing more. The more you dig into another player’s stats, the less time you spend in matches grinding.
I’m not using it in a insulting way though. I was just saying how even low levels who can be possibly new to the game can still get kills with the 2S38. Because you said you needed skill to actually get kills in the 2S38
Oh that wasn’t me 😉 I do have the 2S38 however, and have been playing since 2014. I pretty much only play Arcade modes, so not much point in using my RB stats as “evidence”. But please feel free to look up my stats for the 2S38 if you wish 👍
2s38 has -5, strf 9040 has -8. 224 pen vs 170. Both are large vehicles. infinite ammo rack vs 24 rounds. And the 2s38 is significantly faster with an unmanned turret vs 2/3 crew turret. every stat except depression the 2s38 wins.
The tank sits in the best br block in the entire game, russian 10.3. Many top quality tanks, lots of nations with 9.3s, tons of premiums. Both france and brits had their top teir br blocks broken up despite no individual tank having amazing kdr stats. Its time to break up russian 10.3.
Derivatsiya-PVO is classed in Russian service a Self Propelled Anti Aircraft gun no idea why its not classed as that in game, its role would be similar to that of the OTOMATIC anyway.
Perhaps you haven’t noticed, but the entire Warthunder community agrees that it should be classified as SPAA provided that:
Removeits scouting capability; it is an SPAA, not a scout vehicle.
Bring it to 2s38 at BR 11.3.
Once this change has been made, all players will be happy. Players will be happy those who say that putting it as SPAA makes it stronger. Players will be happy those who don’t want this vehicle at BR 10.3 but rightly want it at BR 11.3.
Nah, none of the ones you mentioned are even remotely as broken or overpowered as the Russian 2s38 ones. There are too many small things that add up to be clearly Russian bias. The selective and arbitrary nature of which sources they allow for bug reports, the requirement to spend GE or a ludicrous amount of time to get an equivalent reload to a bone stock Russian MBT at top tier if you don’t have an autoloader, the majority of maps being CSGO style flat maps with no way for NATO tanks to hide their hull, the placement of the LRF at rank 4 on most NATO MBTs, while it’s at rank 2 for most Russian ones, the constant addition of entirely busted or at minimum very meta premiums to Russia’s 10.3 lineup (they even tried to do it with the BMPT), Gaijin’s refusal to do composite armor correctly meaning that most NATO vehicles that IRL are designed to withstand Russian 30mm just get shredded by even 14.5 and fifty cal, the refusal to add features like IRST to vehicles such as the CV90s (which it essentially has IRL) despite every Russian IFV having it, Russia having by far the best SPAAs at most BRs until the very top (where they had the Pantsir that dominated for an extremely long time), and more. There is absolutely premium bias, but there is most certainly also Russian bias.
