I’ve been waiting for this for years, I just wanted to use the Su-27 or Su-33 in simulation at 13.0 on SB.
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r-27er
Personally a huge advocate for this. I think the R-27ER should remain only on the SU-27SM because:
- it was not around until the 90s, around the same time the R-77 went into service
- gameplay wise, it would still be a useful missile, it can be launched farther than an aim-120 and be guided in with iog/datalink with sarh once it’s near whatever you’re trying to kill
- it would allow for a counterpart for the F-15A to exist in a circa-1980s Su-27 with R-27R/T. I think the MiG-29 should get the same treatment (R-73/R-27R/T)
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wouldn’t that just be due to the f-2 having premium rewards? or is that not factored in?
can’t believe that’s true, the average f-2 player must be buns for that to happen (it is a premium tbf, prolly lots of people just base bomb)
if it was a tech tree plane it would probably have insane stats
low k tho i feel like playing blue side is actually harder than playing red now from my experience
blueside collapses a lot more so if you want to stick in a match you almost gotta play blue.
Plus a bunch of people rage quit (me included tbf) if their missiles just get shot down by like a bazillion r-77-1s from flanker spam
I am fairly sure that rewards on statshark are calculated before any bonus is applied. But even if we assume that they are not…the rewards difference is more vast than premium bonus would account for.
F-15A
RP: 258 / Game
SL: 932 / Game
Deaths / Game = 2.5
F-2A
RP: 1466
SL: 5539
We can also take this a step further and look at spawn rates and death rates to characterize an average sortie.
F-2A
Spawns: 60,013
Deaths: 48,302
Per Sortie Casualty Rate: 80.5%
F-15A
Spawns: 12,140
Deaths: 10,395
Per Sortie Casualty Rate: 85%
It should be noted that average sortie casualty rate in sim is going to be extremely high across the board.
We can add the JAS-39A as a point of comparison; this plane should be the most survivable at the 13.0 tier and receives the best-possible-case scenario of comparable 13.0s. It has good rwr and radar, good flight model, practically unlimited countermeasures, and small size. On top of that, Sweden is going to be one of the lowest popularities as far as initial tech trees is concerned so in theory should be flown by more experienced minor nation players. It’s main drawback is it plays against Japan pretty much exclusively.
No possible bonus for RP or SL and it’s average reward per game is over double that of the F-15A. It’s sortie casualty rate is better than the F-15A at 83% and it is still worse than the F-2A’s 80% rate. The 80% casualty rate is uncharacteristically low for basically any premium plane as well.
MiG-29 SNIPER = 88%
F/A-18C Early = 86%
F/A-18C Swiss = 87%
JA-37 AMRAAM = 89%
F-20 = 85%
Su-30 Mk.2 = 80%
While I do not think Statshark can show all of the stats or exactly to what extent Gaijin can track them…I think analyzing them will show that there is a pretty noticeable discrepancy in how the F-2A tends to suck all of the air out of 12.0 - 13.0 rooms.
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definitely needs to go to 13.3
till then great to farm bazillions of sl and rp in it
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I think it is ok at 13.0. Give blue side the f2A. Give redside the J11 and Su27 at 13.0.
A bunch of aircraft are in-game with weapons or technology it didn’t have when initially introduced to service…
Farther than an AIM-120? R-27R? 80 km vs 50 km?
r27r has less range than even the aim 7f/m. gonna be utter useless against amraam
it evens out though. you can drop lock and reacquire whenever (ignoring the whole 60 s battery life it has)
So just to make this clear…
You think that an Su-27 or MiG-29 equipped with only R-27R is equivalent to an F-16 ADF equipped with AMRAAM?
R-27ER re-locking is already not a viable tactic at top tier. Attempting to do the same thing but with an even worse missile is a fools errand against basically any competent sim player.
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When studying the blue main player, one must notice their unique mating call. “I can’t evade the R27er, it’s oppressive, it’s like a mica or something.” Their migratory path brings them to this location called the warthunder forum. Their population drops each year. Eventually conservation attempts by gaijin will help bring their numbers back. The most reliable population curving attempt is introducing the yearly premium aircraft.
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If you’re gonna take away r-27er, might as well give the mig-29s r27a.
Much worse than 27er in kinematics but it’s at least an active radar missile
Cough cough r73
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That remains to be seen.
IRL, AIM-120Cs overall are better in basically every regard to AIM-120A/B but in game its worst on medium to close ranges both kinematically and on AOA, overload performance.
I have serious doubts on Gaijin’s honesty to implement those drawbacks and not making it a checkmate ordnance as they really like to do when it comes to late Russian stuff.
Not much to be seen, we already have the r27r in game, the A would have identical kinematics, as the only change is the seeker.
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I repeat, it remains to be seen.
They won’t add the R-27A, it has never been considered. The only rumors of an ARH R-27 ever been considered is the R-27EA, a missile objectively better for any practical role and purpose than the R-77/R-77-1.
Says who? The r27A was tested unlike the r27EA which makes it far more likely to be added.
Neither the Kh-38 was ever tested, but now not only is in Russia’s tree, but its also in Japan’s.
Stop being so naïve with Gaijin. At this point in the game’s cycle, they only need a bunch of specifications and they will add stuff if it makes sense for them. The R-27A does not makes sense whatsoever.