Why is the Stormer HVM so bad?

Well when ADATS added for the first time it was a really good tank destroyer considering missiles was behaving differently and top tier tanks wasnt as armed as compare to latest ones.

So i understand why they did it like that but in recent environment it can change to Spaa actually.

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Even then - why not just nerf its anti-tank capabilities instead of leaving us without a top tier SPAA? It’s stuff like this that just cements my opinion of GJN’s bias towards certain nations.

I don’t think this is a good argument, since there is also an “Air Defence” in there. In fact, ADATS was a response to the Canadian Forces Low-Level Air Defence (LLAD) program. It never played the role of an anti-tank system in real life besides during tests.

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Snail simply not wanted you to spawn 8 missiles that theoreticly can pen any tank for spaa cost.

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İ dont know man i dont have answer for that, i dont think gaijin have it as Well.

Not that you could kill tanks with the ADATS considering how the missiles jitter about in 50m jumps making hitting them impossible.

You could in the past, before the missile changes.

https://web.archive.org/web/20151011165904/http://www.aerosociety.com/Assets/Docs/Events/710/10)%20Ronnie%20Fleming.pdf

Model Based Design employed in LMM development presentation by Ronnie Fleming, Technical Specialist,
Guidance, Control & Simulation, Thales.

I don’t know if there is anything useful here, maybe this:

In terms of LMM airframe characteristics these have similarities with Starburst. Rather than conducting extensive wind tunnel tests to generate LMM aerodynamic data the legacy Starburst aerodynamic data has been used as a starting point from which LMM aerodynamic characteristics have been derived.

About the conference where this was presented: https://web.archive.org/web/20151023064455/http://aerosociety.com/Assets/Docs/Events/710/Trials_Modelling_&_Validation_Conference_Programme.pdf

From what year is the LMM presentation?
Also it is nothing new, as LMM is verry simmialr build wise to Starburst, or at least its early version was. Current LMM is thiccer, longer, has bigger canards and deploy additional 4 fins in 1/3 of its lenght

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15 november 2012

So far from its first flight in 2019 (the version we have now first dates to around 2019)
Yes i know the missile started its life in 2011, im talking about the version integrated and launched from a stormer

That will be PID, right?
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Not sure how H-Infinity works so i cant tell

I guess im going to say PID then

Seems Stormer HVM will be replaced in the British Army by a URO VAMTAC with Thales RapidRanger in the near future



Imagine it will be a similar setup to what’s used by Malaysia and Indonesia, but the fact it’s listed in Medium Protected Mobility suggests we might have it on VAMTAC ST5 rather than the lighter VAMTAC LTV

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Is Tracked Rapier really that bad? By the way, reading about Stormer/Starstreak on the old forum is rather sad. It’s like I’m having déjà vu, the replies are similar to the new forum. Same problems for years.

Problems were here since its introduction, and well 7km saclos missile with radar thats rather meh. Also older versions of missile did not had proxy so have fun

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The engagement zones for Rapier are okay not great though.

I wonder if we will get this
Supacat HMT ASRAAM


To sum it up, it is a IR Land Ceptor if it was using base CAMM (25km range) and had its own radar(or it is a data mast, as there are talks it also has Data link)

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Don’t threaten me with a good time.

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wdym?