m still trying to understand why Gaijin nerfs planes in such a disastrous way, not just the weapons or other things to supposedly make “the matches more balanced.” What they do is a mess; for example, the Eurofighter has a mechanical radar, like, what the hell? Have these guys gone crazy? And to top it off, what balance are they talking about if they introduce the F-15E? They are making a disaster with the game. Gaijin is introducing advanced planes, and I understand that there has to be some balance in the game, but nerfing the planes in that way? I’d rather play Ace Combat, DCS World, or World of Warplanes. Are we witnessing the end of War Thunder? That’s my opinion
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CAPTOR-M is the correct radar for the tranche of Typhoon that they added, with CAPTOR-E only being fitted more recently on later tranche aircraft. Hopefully the next Typhoon added to the game will have CAPTOR-E however.
That being said CAPTOR-M is woefully underpowered and is basically just Blue Vixen from the Sea Harrier FA2 at the moment, much of what makes it different has yet to be modeled and god knows when any additional changes will come for it.
But the Typhoon does have a number of outstanding issues in general and its got a long long road to get to full strength
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Holy cope batman
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So why did the Kfir C10 and the Rafale incorporate AESA radars? What I mean is, why didn’t they introduce the Eurofighter with the CAPTOR-E right away, to have a competitive radar? In other words, did they introduce a subpar Eurofighter just to fill their pockets with publicity and nothing more?
The AESA radars are modelled like PESA for now, the Rafale radar is probably one of the most nerf radar in the game
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I dont know, Rafale probably should have come with PESA not AESA, but I do not know much about the Kfir C10 and whether or not it has an alternative mechanical radar.
I would hazard a guess that CAPTOR-E is one of hte planned upgrades for a later Typhoon with a higher BR. Likely with better AAMs
No nation in game currently uses a Eurofighter with an AESA radar. It would be odd to skip CAPTOR-M entirely when it is the radar used by the vast majority of Eurofighters currently in service, and is the only radar currently in service with in game nations.
Developers didn’t realize that the Rafale F.3R used AESA radar. It wasn’t an active choice on their part to put an AESA variant in the game. The AESA radar was as a result of a bug report. With that said, comparing Kfir C.10 and Eurofighter is not the argument you want to make. Eurofighter still remains the best aircraft in the game, although there’s strong arguments to make that they should incorporate accepted reports going forward once its competitors are in the game (alongside the Rafale).
In fact, @Mirlo_Rojo the injustice is not that the Eurofighter is “nerfed” or incomplete, the injustice is that it was added too soon when other aircrafts should have arrived before it or at the same time such as F-2, F-18C, F-18E, F-15EX, and etc.
Enjoy the early Eurofighter, stop complaining (for now), and wait over time for more buffs.
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The Eurofighter and Rafale were likely added early to try to “fix” the idiocy that was the addition of the F-15I, and by consequence the F-15E in-game during the preceeding patch. It was a stupid idea to try to fix a stupid situation gaijin had already put themselves in.
That being said, I find it ironic you consider the EFT the “best aircraft ingame” considering how utterly dominant the Rafale has been. The Rafale is by FAR the best aircraft in-game, which makes sense when you consider it has;
- The best radar (by a country mile)
- The best missile
- Tied for best (or debatably second best) FM
- Arguably the best gun
- Arguably top 3 countermeasure arrangement on top tier jets
- Second best ground attack capabilities
- Best HMD by FAR (sim only)
The Rafale is effectively the best or second best jet in every category except base bombing, which only matters in sim. There isnt a single jet currently ingame that approaches its level of dominance in the air.
Theres a reason France has become one of, if not the most popular high/top tier air nation in-game with the introduction of the Rafale, and its not cuz everyone likes french jets…
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Loud incorrect buzzer
You seen the F-15I?
You added the second part of the post after I liked it so I’ll just address it here, it’s because I’m not currently at the game and there are others who can explain it better. You’re pretty far off though.
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Ur right, ill fix it
Of note tho, you havent contested any of the other points I made.
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Typhoon is not nerfed in anyway.
It has the same weapons as everyone else.
It has its correct radar.
F-15C/E are Typhoon equivalent aircraft.
Cause Rafale and Kfir are inferior to Typhoon and NOT Typhoon.
Typhoon already has a competitive radar.
The best radar doesn’t matter here when all that’s needed is to have a sufficient radar which you can find on F-15E, and the issues/bugs with Captor-M should shortly be resolved. With radar capabilities, the question should be, “Is it good enough?” That’s all.
Further, the Eurofighter has a boatload of countermeasures compared to the Rafale which is partly screwed by developers giving it more large flares than regular. You also cannot say the Rafale has the best gun when it has only 125 ammo with a fire rate of 2,500 per minute! You easily lose all of your ammo instantly.
There’s an easy way to quantify this. I have done the quantifying already, it does not have the best missile. AIM-120A is the best missile by far. Let’s break down how one should quantify this.
There is going to be 4 different categories with which to measure by and these categories are:
Maneuverability
Range (greatest overall energy)
Time to target at 10km (1000m) (end of match)
Time to target at 50km (9000m) (beginning of match)
Note that I picked 10km at low altitude because late-game tends to start around there when everyone had been forced to the deck from early game missile slinging. I also picked 50km at high altitude because even though most players shoot around 35-40km, people start manuevering and running away at that point, and the missile then has to travel around 50km or so, and this has to be factored.
6 missiles will be factored into this. AIM-120A, Derby, MICA, R-77, PL-12 AAM-4. R-Darter is practically the same as Derby, AIM-54/Fakour will not factor into these categories as they are not medium-ranged missiles. In each of the 4 categories, first place will take 6 points, second place will take 5 points, and so on. I will be using dark_claw’s sources.
Manueverability:
- MICA EM (6 points)
- R-77 (5 points)
- PL-12 (4 points)
- AAM-4 (3 points)
- Derby (2 points)
- AIM-120A (1 point)
Let’s move onto the second category, overall range, this same chart will be used for time-to-target 50km at 9,000m category as well.
- AIM-120A (6 points)
- AAM-4 (5 points)
- PL-12 (4 points)
- Derby (3 points)
- R-77 (2 points)
- MICA EM (1 point)
Both AAM-4 and PL-12 have same maximum range, but the AAM-4 still had slightly higher energy retention by that point and so it won based off of that.
Now with the same chart, let’s evaluate the time to target at 50km high altitude.
- AIM-120A (6 points)
- Derby (5 points)
- AAM-4 (4 points)
- PL-12 (3 points)
- MICA EM (2 points)
- R-77 (1 point)
Lastly we move onto the time to target for 10km at 1,000m.
- MICA EM (6 points)
- Derby (5 points)
- PL-12 (4 points)
- AAM-4 (3 points)
- AIM-120A (2 points)
- R-77 (1 point)
Let’s add up the points in all 4 categories for each of the missiles. The holistic results ends up being:
AIM-120A (15 points)
AAM-4 (15 points)
PL-12 (15 points)
Derby (15 points)
MICA (15 points)
R-77 (9 points)
Aside from the R-77, each of the missiles all excelled in their own categories and had trade-offs/advantages but overall they all were equally rock-paper-scissor. And despite the other missiles all being equal (aside from R-77) I should note that the AIM-120A had the BEST energy retention in every single category mentioned. For that alone, it takes the top spot.
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When you look at all of these factors, it is easy to understand why developers have not continued and implemented any further bug reports for the above missiles, as things are all “balanced” and how they want to have it. R-77 is an outlier and there is nothing they can do about that missile since there are no open bug reports on it. An open report on that missile may have resulted in a buff that would have seen it be more in tune with the other missiles.
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Well… it does have a few items here or there. Like supercruise speed, loadout, radar, CMs and thats without mentioning missing features.
Which could be argued as a nerf, its AAMs are “nerfed” to be on par with everyone else
It has Blue Vixen. CAPTOR-M has yet to be added (i.e its missing modes like Priority track or even GMTI/T). its nearly a 1 for 1 C&P of the Blue Vixen and in fact much of the data used for bug reporting it doesnt come from data for the Typhoon but instead data from the Sea Harrier FA2.
competitive vs who? Rafale’s radar leaves it in the dust and due to bugs and issues. Its only really stronger than the Soviet aircraft at the moment.
As MythicPi pointed out. Rafale has a huge number of advantages over the Typhoon in nearly every single category
I have not been keeping up too much with the Eurofighter, what is wrong with the loadout and CMs?
A Typhoon vs Rafale in Sim is a nightmare at the moment. The Rafale finds you instantly, meanwhile the CAPTOR-M takes a lot of manual radar slewing and no small amount of luck to acquire the Rafale on radar. I often opt for ultra defensive play in the Typhoon, because getting too close to a rafale is certain death. The Sitautional awarness and the ability to near instantly find targets with the AESA radar is an advantage that cant be overlooked at the moment.
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Supercruise top speed is incorrect as it should max out at 1.5 mach in certain conditions and currently cannot max out at 1.5 mach under any.
Loadout is missing some items or options currently but there are a myriad of them.
Radar is missing a few bugfixes and whatnot otherwise we can almost guarantee it is underperforming but cannot do much until newer documentation is found.
CM’s are not the advanced kind but all modern fighters are missing these rn.
In other news, nothing out of the ordinary as compared to anything else in the game.
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Loadout, mostly im looking at the fact it has Brimstone 1s which it never used instead of Brimstone 2s or 3s which it did. On top of the MMW nerfs which is a whole other issue.
As for CMs, the standard CMs it has should be BOL, I dont actually know if they are modeled as “BOL” in game (i.e micro CMs) but they are certainyl not modeled to have the performance of IRL BOL.
Currently the Rafale is missing wide scan and is limited to a small 70 degree wide scan compared to nearly double for the Eurofighter’s 120 degree scan. But at the end of the day, I did state that some issues with the Captor-M have been fixed, and will continue to be fixed, it’s not really fair to factor in bugs considering that Gaijin prioritizes and deploys fixes pretty quickly.