The gripen is going to go up soon, don’t ask for your jet to be undertiered. F-15 will forever be undertiered due to american mains.
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yeah JAS39A should not be at the same br as the F-15A and belgian F-16A, and the belgian F-16A should be at the same br as the F-15A, which was the case before the br changes. so the JAS39A should probably go to up to 13.3 while the belgian F-16A needs to go down to 13.0. And at 13.0 the belgian F-16A would not be undertiered.
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yes, it would be. F-15 is also undertiered. All belong at 13.3.
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I’m honestly hoping they throw 9Ms on the F-16A ADFs and F-16A MLU. They would, in my opinion, be quite fun - operating similarly to the MiG-29G and F-15A/J.
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So what US aircraft would use the 9L? The attackers only? We just skipping an entire missile generation?
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i don’t see how the belgian F-16A at 13.0 would be undertiered, there are other f-16’s too at 13.0, sure those don’t have aim 9m’s but they do have radar missiles so i see that as a trade off. the only planes i can think off that would maybe have a tough time would be the former 11.3’s, which before the br changes also could face the belgian f-16a and the f-15a, because they are now 12.0 (except the mig-23 ml and mld for some reason).
but the JAS39A is not going to be at 13.7 and the belgian F-16A should not be the same br as the JAS39A because its worse in every way, so that only leaves 13.0
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Why? And because one of the game designers (I think his name is Dmitry) loves the Swedes and their tech. He even confessed about it in one of the devblogs of Swedish tech for the Russian community
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thats a silly ass take… 6x 9M is an infinitely more competitive loadout than 4x 9L and 2x 7M…
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don’t worry we saw that same quote in the English version of that devblog
if i’m not mistaken you can only take 4 aim9’s on the belgian f-16a if you want extra flares (or 5 aim9’s if you decide to take only 1 flare pod), and yeah maybe it is a more competitive loadout but i think you underestimate how useful radar missiles are now wth the multipath changes. And the belgian f-16a definitely should not be the same br as the JAS39A and most certainly not be at a higher br, which only leaves 13.0 if the JAS39A is moved up to 13.3.
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Not gunna argue with most points, it was pretty clear these chnages were massively rushed, dozens of changes make 0 sense and I can see a LOT of changes in coming weeks/months. But Skyflash DFs at 13.0 arent worth even mentioning. I’d struggle to call them average at 12.0.
Its probably also a honorable mention that BOL are so badly nerfed that you need about a dozen to match the performance a standard calibre CM. Even more for a Large Calibre flare that many aircraft have at that BR. So whilst the Gripen has “700” CMs. In reality thats more like 100 or so with the amount you have to spam to actually defeat anything currently. Nor can you pre-flare with BOL, only internals.
Sure its not as good a the aim7m but definitely still usable and better then having no radar missiles at 13.0 or 13.3.
I have never had an issue with the BOL flares and you definitely can pre flare with them. i would always put automatic (periodic) release of flares on when in a dogfight or furball witch makes it very hard for people to shoot an IR missile at you because the seeker will lock the flares instead of the plane. and with like 60 flares putting the automatic release of countermeasures on is not a viable option.
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Ehhh, they’re similar in performance I would say, radar missiles are very good now, and 9L works best at rear aspect than 9M, I wouldn’t put a 6x aim9M loadout above 4x9L + 2 7M, but a sidegrade
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lmao
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Eh… Less range, less nimble. No one uses it. Easily the worse SARH at that BR and one of the worst at 12+. They’d only run 9Ms.
As for BOL, the point is they are nerfed to hell. Flares are smaller than small calibre flares with less burn time. They should be equal to large calibre flares with less burn time. Same for chaff. They are currently less effective than small calibre chaff, they should be equal to standard calibre chaff. (All has been bug report for about 7 months)
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You haven’t played this patch yet?
Are you joking?
are you dreaming
You guys must be living in the past too.
I would rather have 4x9L + 2x7M than 6x9M in the current meta, I would consider those loadouts side grades, with different playstyles, but with only 9M you gotta act like support fighter and having no TWS for situation awareness to be able to survive up high and sneak above enemies makes the 9M only kinda meh in my opinion. This is about the F-16A with 6x9M, not a gripen which has better instruments for situation awareness
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I was more amused by the F-16AJ at 13.0 c AIM-9L and AIM-7F. At least the Belgian F-16 has 9M…