Like I said in the original post, there are Ataka modernization programs such as 9M120M and 9M120D, which supposedly bring it’s range up to the level of other top-tier ATGMs, without bringing the OP features of the Vikhr
I’m not talking about dealing with them in a tank, I know they’re nothing OP if you have an AA(though dealing with Ka-50s in a Roland is quite miserable) just like any helicopter, I’m saying it’s miserable to deal with them when you’re in a helicopter
Gotta love having to change my playstyle just because 3 vehicles in the game have some weaponry. That’s how it’s supposed to be in well balanced games, right?
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Its not just 3 vehicles try every spaa, forward heli spawn is 4km from the battlefield well within range of every spaa in 11.3+. That is why we dont spawn there. Its also the unprotected one which means its very easy to camp with something like a z-19e with TY-90s.
I literally said in the main post that nothing brings me any problems except the 3 vehicles I mentioned. I can deal with AAs at that range just fine, if anything I do it even better than at long range, because at close range they don’t get as much time to react, and spawncampers are pinged on the minimap, so I mostly just don’t spawn when that happens
Same thing we’ve been doing, die and curse in the chat.
Abrams is Russian now cause fuel tanks are correctly modeled as spall absorbers?
AV-8B is Russian now because it’s Su-25SM3’s equivalent?
Apache is Russia now that Kamov is less survivable?
Pantsir being useless against my Tornado IDS ASSTA is notable in favor of Pantsir how?
Structural steel is all Russian in War Thunder? Guess you should go claim to the US government that Bradley’s Russian…
That’s not a vehicle problem, that’s a skill issue from the players going against you. Get 2 players of the same skill level, then put one of them in a Pantsir, put the other in an ADATS(or an Ito-90 to make it at least a bit more fair for that player) and you’ll see that Pantsir absolutely dogs any other SPAA on top-tier in terms of performance.
It was understandable to add the Pantsir back when Tunguska got nerfed into oblivion and became absolutely unplayable for a while, but now it’s better than it ever was, so there’s literally no need for Pantsir to be in the game.
How is it less survivable? Both received the updated damage models, they’re equally bad in terms of survivability now
How is the AV-8B Su-25SM3’s equivalent? Su-25 does CAS infinitely better
Bro have you even played US top-tier? Abrams’ fuel tanks actually produce more spalling, not reduce it
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I’ve faced the best Pantsir players in custom matches.
If you think you can do better, my challenge for ANY Pantsir player is always open.
AV-8B and Su-25SM3 both have 20km range IR missiles.
And I played Abrams recently, I got over 2:1 KDR, and over 4:1 KMR in my recent matches.
Abrams are easy to play.
Changing topics, I don’t give a damn whoever you have faced, just because it’s possible to defeat it, doesn’t mean other SPAAs are as good as Pantsir. Put the same Pantsir players you faced in any other top-tier SPAA, and you’re gonna have a much easier time beating them.
Also what do you mean by “best Pantsir players”, it’s not like skill matters that much in top-tier SPAAs
Ah yes, the “USSR weaponry is balanced” classic - using stat cards as proof. If you actually tried using the mavericks, you would know that a maverick is not getting a proper lock beyond 10km. Also even if you do launch it at like 10km, by the time it gets to the target, it’s going to lose so much energy, that it’s possible to shoot it down with guns reliably.
My God, you just love changing topics. I never said Abrams performed poorly, the topic was about Abrams’ fuel tanks producing more spalling, and that is true, because 19mm plate that is there to protect the crew from a fire, somehow produces more spalling than a penetrating hit to the LFP.
I have never had issues with Mavericks firing to my targeting pod’s position beyond 10km in matches.
Abrams fuel tanks do not spall period. No fuel tanks spall.
Is not the fuel tank.
Is no one going to realize that it’s actually not busted as you think? I hit a RadKpfWg with one the other day and it only killed his driver, so it’s only really good against mediocre-heavy armor.
BVM on the other hand usually explodes when shot at the fuel tanks unlike the abrams.
All fuel tanks in this game are spall sponges and/or even black holes sometimes. Bigger fuel tank=better (if external)
Armor is not the fuel tank, please stop with the false claims.
His claim isn’t false though…
The Abram’s has a 40mm RHA plate behind the fuel tank, which surrounds the driver, which causes the solid rod to spall.
The T-80BVM, or any T-Tank for that matter, has no wall behind the tank, therefore it doesn’t spall.
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Again, that’s not the fuel tank.
That’s an armor piece.
Usually? I’ve seen like maybe twice that happen, it’s quiet rare that happens.
It’s not rare at all unless it got changed recently. Diesel should not explode even if the tanks aren’t external