No. Things like the A10 exists and not only the A10 has access to AGM-65D.
OSA (Again, will quite happlily go toe to toe with most CAS)
No, playing the OSA is painful. You are limited to sitting in spawn because you are useless anywhere else. If anyone decides to fly low and strafe you, it’s over, it doesn’t even need to be a dedicated CAS. But i do have to say that i find the missiles a bit better than 2S6
Strela (struggles with anything really far away, but extremely hard to deal with if you are limited to shorter range weapons)
It is hilariously outranged, like you said; and it has no way of knowing of a plane is up, especially a strike drone. There are 0 things you can do to counter it.
Ozelot (Played smart, is basically unkillable, you have to enter well within range for 99% of CAS)
Respectfully disagree, the Ozelot experience is watching your missile hit anything but the intended target, plus if you are within 3-2km it’s impossible for the Ozelot to hit you
Gerpard 1A2 (same as above)
ZSU-23-4M4 (same as above)
They are only good in downtier, you are free food for helicopter
Even the Pantsir strictly speaking outperforms all CAS at its BR
Can’t talk about this, i don’t have it. If it is indeed better than all CAS, then we need more of it
If you are being killed by an A-10A late, its a skill issue and it has no Tpod, so its at the mercy of the internal seeker and VIDing at those kinds of ranges without that is a chore. Easy for an SPAA to hide and most will be forced within 10km to use an AGM-65D.
So? Skill issue?
If you are sat in the open, you deserve to be gunstrafed, you are allowed ot move and there is usually some cover on most maps. But OSA outranges any guided CAS and if CAS is allowed to get close enoguh to strafe you, then someone screwed up. Also it has prox fuse, so should have no issue engaging close targets like the Stormer has with the Starstreaks.
Your argument was that all CAS, no amtter what, outperforms all SPAA no matter what. There are exceptions, but anything that is still using unguided weapons or short range guided weapons, which are plenty are vulnerable to the Strela. Like Sweden with the AJ37, or Germany with… well everything. Few nations actually have a combo that counters the Strela.
CAS cant stay within 2km forever. Easy to catch them as they run away or coming in. Also if you attack from an unexpected angle, they’ll never see it coming. If it goes for the wrong target, that is user error.
Since when?
Yeah… Not happening, not allowed. The new SPAAs being added are being artifiically nerfed to keep them weaker than the Pantsir.
No it doesn’t. Most 10.3 and 10.7 CAS out-performs 2S6.
A-6E TRAM, A-10A, Buccaneer S2B, Jaguar GR1A, Q-5L, Jaguar A, Super Etendard all out-range Tunguska and OSA.
Anti-tank CAS mind you, not anti-infantry CAS being used by players to attempt to take out tanks
If you are sat in the open, you deserve to be gunstrafed
Ah, the eternal CAS player, “just don’t sit in the open”. Well, Sire, if you bothered playing Ground more than capping a point and spawning CAS, you would know that all maps are in the open, except the few city ones
My liege, with all due respect, you do not own any of the SPAA that you said outperforms CAS. But please do tell, just how easy it is to play them.
The 2S6 is one of the best SPAA in that bracket because it can counter a lot of the FnF munitions out there.
There are exceptions of course. People who space climb and bomb tend to be the hardest to counter. however the majority don’t do this because it’s extremely risky as you’re not fast, and food for other planes.
Lol CAS mains with negative KD in 99% of their ground vehicles and doesn’t perform in their SPAAs, calling people skill issue and thinking they are in any position to teach people how to do better.
10km is the theoretical maximum range of the Tunguska, the AS-30L has an effective range of over 10km when fired from the Jaguar. I can reproduce it at will.
Moreso, it’s only ever easy to intercept as long as it’s coming directly at you, if the AA can’t reach the plane, the plane has no obligation to fire directly at the AA.
Do enlighten me on what is a fast A2G weapon. Cause like the alleged scourge of top tier that is the KH-38 is comparable to the AS-30L below 12km, and then falls of a cliff.
AA isn’t about the reward, it’s about winning. If you can’t shoot down the mothership, you are not very valuable as an AA, because he’s coming back, and you have to intercept everything everytime.
God forbid you ever meet someone that knows how to circumvent that as well…
I was speaking relative to the Jaguar.
Sophistry for sophistry : if we have to uptier the Tunguska to 11.3 for the sake of these eight 9.7 planes with dumb bombs, why stop at the Tunguska ?
How is the Mavericks employed? If it’s >4km you should have no trouble intercepting them. If it’s <4km, it requires you being more vigilant but it’s not too difficult to do it. However, pop-up attacks are spaa’s worst nightmare, so you really can’t stay in spawn, you have to move around to not give players an idea where you are at.
Also IRST is your best friend. If you are not intercepting agms, you should be mainly using IRST for target acquisition.
Hard to get good stats on spaa without a filter for deaths by ground vics vs air and removing stat padding via drone kills.
A lot of my spaa probably die more to ground than air.
A lot of matches no cas spawns you get bored and go play light tank, and every match almost ends up with one spawn getting pushed near the end and spaa are just chicken dinners, or some maps are just plain awful like moz poland etc. Where you can be spawn camped in about 1 minute from some busted mid map posisition.
And again this doesnt mean i or others sit in spawn, but if your spawn is comprimised so is that whole side of the map and its not hard to find spaa when they leave a giant plume of smoke whenever they shoot or a parade of tracers.
This is why I dont really enjoy playing spaa since a good chunk of matches you are fighting ground more than air, pretty much only find spaa with good guns tolerable, which is probably why you see droves of gepards and hardly any ozelots chaps or strelas at least in my expierence.
Other problem I have is people act like bots and just spawn spaa even though you already have some up. IDK how many games id be the first to spawn spaa and then a minute later 3 other ppl do and none of these guys died to CAS, and if say you spawn an ozelot first and then some guy on your team spawns an OSA you might as J out bc hes cleaning all the bad bot CAS players well before you can. Ive also had matches where id spawn pantsir and people would like spawn in rolands or strela, or some crappy spaa for 12.0 as if they were going to get anything before I did.
I say this every time regardless of how widespread this tip is because people continue to still make the same mistake. this is how I get the majority of spaa kills using CAS. The time I do get killed by Spaa, it’s either by a stupid mistake or I was outsmarted.
Just saying man, you got like a 2kd in that thing which is really good for a spaa. I think if you’ve played other spaas around that BR, you’d realize how good this machine is. But an argument can be made that all spaa is over tiered which is also valid
The time I do get killed by Spaa, it’s either by a stupid mistake or I was outsmarted.
Yeah, that’s usually how it goes. If you are careful and pay attention there’s pretty much 0 things SPAA can do. SPAAs don’t have the luxury of firing missiles and hiding behind terrain or choose to stay out of CAS range
you got like a 2kd in that thing
I don’t want to downplay myself but it’s only that high because i get to kill 1-3 recon drones per match plus the people mindlessly flying straight.
But good CAS players, the ones that are aware? Never won against them. They simply have all the advantage. What usually happens is they overwhelm me with AGMs and i can’t intercept them because of various reasons such as radar refusing to detect them or my missiles spazzing out. Take the map Fulda for example. Where do you hide against AGM and tanks at the same time? It’s an uphill battle from the perspective of SPAA.
God forbids you are in an actual tank, a literal sitting duck
All CAS mains does is gaslighting, nothing new here. They are gaslighting so hard that they remind me of my ex who I said sorry for her forgetting my birthday.
