All top SPAA has IRT.
Have gotten it to track out to 13km consistently on 2s6, do not know how that compares to adats.
Still a heat warhead.
Seems a bit twitchy past about 10km. But I usually just use the Stormer HVM at top tier. If i even bother bringing anything at all.
The only thing the ADATS is good at dealing with is helis which are rare at top tier. Skysabre please come next major update. Not having a top tier SPAA sucks
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With all the terrible post pen damage that entails.
Thanks for hand waving everything that has lead to the 2S6 being where it is, really great for conversation. They tried putting it up before at the behest of the community and guess what it still went back down after a patch or 2 because when compared to the other SPAA at 11.7 it just wasn’t good enough and the stats backed it up. Do continue to argue in bad faith with your retinue its very funny to watch you jump through hoops praising russian equipment in the hopes of it getting it up tiered.
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@Fluffy_Bucketles @Morvran you guys have the worst arguments i’ve read, i don’t even have the energy to reply to all the yapping. Please go do something else.
If a mod sees this please lock the thread.
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So. Your entire argument for why the 2S6 is at 10.7 and the ADATS is 11.7 is that ths soviets are bad at the game and have no skill?
Does make sense based upon this thread
My argument was compared to other spaas in its bracket (9.7-11.7) its performing where it should be for 10.7. ADATS gets inflated by its ground kills abit ill give you that much but the protection, better search radar and multi modal missile etc is what has it at a higher br.
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Is it?
Lets compare it to things like the Stormer HVM at 10.3 (max range 5-6km, no prox fuse) or the German thing thats what 7-8km max?
Even when compared to 10.3/10.7 stuff. Its hard to justify it being 10.7 instead of 11.0.
Which again, is dumb for an SPAA to be at a BR where it cannot be a usable SPAA because it might be able to kill tanks.
and even if its judged by its anti-tank abilities. it should be compared vs other ATGM slingers and not SPAA at which point it is still weaker than most 11.0 ATGM launchers like the things with FnF Spikes
Yeah I gave up on getting it, still have 70k left, but I don’t see why I should…
Yes, unfortunately the average CAS player will be unable to cope with it, and thus it won’t happen. Not gonna rat people out, but I have a few in mind that would be very against it.
That’s the same reason that the new SPAA will only ever be Pantsir tier, it’s the upper limit of what the average CAS player can handle for now.
Let the 2S38 where it is, it’s the most overrated light tank in the bracket, and I’d rather rebuy the VBCI2 full price than the 2S38 at -50%. It loses mobility and concealment, things that are pretty valuable to a light tank, for mid AA capabilities against planes, and it’s still not as good as a Spike against helicopters.
Every comparable IFV is far better and higher, PUMA VJTF and KF-41 at 11.0, Freccia at 10.7, the VBCI2 at 9.7 is better than the 2S38.
Oh my God. Are you like this on purpose?
Which again, is dumb for an SPAA to be at a BR where it cannot be a usable SPAA because it might be able to kill tanks.
and even if its judged by its anti-tank abilities. it should be compared vs other ATGM slingers and not SPAA at which point it is still weaker than most 11.0 ATGM launchers like the things with FnF Spikes
The ADATS is not at the BR that it is because it can shoot tanks or planes, it’s there because the missiles can do BOTH. Gaijin’s lack of balance is not our fault. Move the ADATS to 10.0 for all i care.
Why do you insist on something being badly balanced being grounds for ruining everything else?
If the Tunguska is the best of the worst that doesn’t mean it should be neutered, it means all the other SPAA should be buffed. And the Tunguska is a bad SPAA compared to what i saw from old gameplay.
If it was so good as some of you claim, A10 wouldn’t dance at max range slinging AGMs while you are impotent to do anything.
The only reason some SPAA might get a perceived good reputation is because of cocky CAS players. Smug CAS players are used to flying straight and slinging bullpups at lower tiers while being untouchable are now salty that they might need to do a roll or two
All SPAA are outclassed by CAS at any rank, every other opinion is skill issue
Gets the grind out of the way ready for if we get something better.
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There are no planes in the game with effective 10km+ ordnance, every single air to ground weapon in the game can be easily dodged or shot down by a good 2S6 player except for the kh38
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and again. I dont see what impact this has on performance.
its a 10.3 ATGM slinger at most. Its maybe a 10.7/11.0 SPAA at most. Why the hell does combining the 2 together make it 11.7?
The Falcon isnt 8.3 because it can do both. its 8.3 because its 8.3 worthy as a TD despite being a 7.3/7.7 SPAAG.
If the ADATS was an 11.7 capable ATGM slinger (with 0 Anti air ability) then maybe it would be justifiable at 11.7. But its not. Just because it can do 2 things at once, doesnt mean it should be a full BR higher than it would be if it could only do 1 in either role?
Unless you for some reaosn think the ADATS is an 11.7 worthy ATGM slinger? at hwich point, it needs FnF missiles.
Why do you?
2S6 should be 11.0 easily. 11.3 ideally.
They should be all buffed up to the 2S6s performance at 10.7. But knowing Gaijin. if they buffed something like the Stormer HVM to be equal to the 2S6. It would be moved to 11.7.
Whenever I play GSB at that Bracket. I see A-10s rush in and just get slaugheted by 2S6s. Every single time. I dont think I have ever seen them kill a 2S6
Sounds like you have a skill issue.
Only at 11.7+ does CAS totally outstrip SPAA.
Below that, it really comes down to what vs what. it might not be universal, but there are plenty of SPAAs that perform way better than their CAS rivals at the same BR.
and go low enough, you dont even really need SPAA when a roof mounted 50 cal can defend fairly well against a prop.
lol If you unironically think this, you’ve never played War Thunder CAS and are just running defense for Russia.
Your claim is calling all YouTubers liars that have addressed CAS in War Thunder.
I’ve been engaging tanks from 13km at 10.3 [and below] since 2022.
Planes at 2S6’s BR can engage enemies beyond it’s maximum and even more so, effective range. Your only play is to shoot down missiles like a good boy until you run out of ammo.
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and again. I dont see what impact this has on performance.
its a 10.3 ATGM slinger at most. Its maybe a 10.7/11.0 SPAA at most. Why the hell does combining the 2 together make it 11.7?
Unless you for some reaosn think the ADATS is an 11.7 worthy ATGM slinger?
I DON’T KNOW. I just told you that Gaijin’s lack of balance is NOT MY FAULT. The ADATS might as well be moved to 1.0. I can’t give my opinion on it since i don’t have it
I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE ADATS IN THE OP
Why do you?
2S6 should be 11.0 easily. 11.3 ideally.
If it was the same SPAA it was 3 years ago, i would agree
They should be all buffed up to the 2S6s performance at 10.7. But knowing Gaijin. if they buffed something like the Stormer HVM to be equal to the 2S6. It would be moved to 11.7.
Again, not my fault, i never said anything about Stormer HVM
Sounds like you have a skill issue.
Only at 11.7+ does CAS totally outstrip SPAA.
Below that, it really comes down to what vs what. it might not be universal, but there are plenty of SPAAs that perform way better than their CAS rivals at the same BR.
Name five.
and go low enough, you dont even really need SPAA when a roof mounted 50 cal can defend fairly well against a prop.
You are halfway correct.
2S6 (out performs most 10.3/10.7 CAS)
OSA (Again, will quite happlily go toe to toe with most CAS)
Strela (struggles with anything really far away, but extremely hard to deal with if you are limited to shorter range weapons)
Ozelot (Played smart, is basically unkillable, you have to enter well within range for 99% of CAS)
Gerpard 1A2 (same as above)
ZSU-23-4M4 (same as above)
Even the Pantsir strictly speaking outperforms all CAS at its BR. You need 13.0 stuff to counter it.
and then below that, you have all the 8.3 and below SPAAGs, msot of which outperform most CAS, especially the radar guided ones. You are either dive bombing/flying close to use bombs or rockets which bring you well within range, or dropping from very high with limited accuracy.
Its real funny how certain people have either conveniently forgotten about the missile changes that happened when the Pantsir was added or they just havent ever played the Tunguska since the changes (if they even have it to begin with) and it really shows.
Its fine at 10.7 and as i said farther up the thread. For intercepting anything that isnt ordinance and the occasional helicopter i prefer the OSA as the missile is far more responsive which makes it better for engaging aircraft.
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