Don’t forget moving it to 11.3 introduces 0 new threats to the platform.
Does stop subsonic 9.7s with dumb bombs being abused by 2s6 tho, and from the vehemence in the defence of a 10.7 tunguska, we can’t have that.
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I dont see where your getting over 10km from for tunguska. the first Missile is 8km range with the upgrade being 10. By that logic the roland shouldnt be 9.7.
No, the Roland shouldn’t be 9.7 lol
But without decompression, that’s where it will end up.
It can engage targets flying very high and fast. Making it stronger than the ADATS in that regard. Its impossible to justify the 2S6 being 10.7 and the ADATS 11.7.
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The adats does the same, and does it better by having a larger G-overload and marginally longer burn time on the booster. You also don’t spend the majority of the time on the adats without your maximum range (locked behind rank 4 on the 2S6). And then theres the whole bit of ADATS being multi modal for air and ground but please go on, tell me why you want the adats to go to a lower br cause so far it just sounds like skill issue.
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I never fire at anything further than 6-7km away and then its usually defeated by turning slightly. In the Jag I have to defend hard to defeat a 2S6 at 9km.
Stock grind is irrelevant.
Its missiles dont do a lot of damage at 11.7/12.0 because everyone has ERA. To engage anything it has to fully and completely expose itself making it a free kill for anything and everything. it has no armour and incredibly poor mobility.
if its at 11.7 because of its ability to kill tanks then why are the IFVs at 11.0 with FnF AGMs not at alike 12.7? If its to be judged by its AT abilities, then it would be 10.3/10.7. If its judged by its A2A abiltieis then its 10.7 worthy based upon the 2S6.
Again I dont understand why its apparently worthy of being 1 full BR higher than the 2S6.
Give me one reason why the 2S6 shouldnt go to 11.3/11.7?
Did you know you can overpressure most tanks with the missiles of 2s6 if you bother to learn to aim them and the tank is within the minium proxi distance? This includes T80s.
Not surprised
Also has a gun to deal with any IFVs and co that flank. Something the (UK) ADATS doesnt. Also that gun makes it far more effective for dealing with things too close to deal with a missile
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Jaguar at 7000 meters has a GBU range of 13km, 3km more than the maximum range of 2S6, significantly more than that for effective range.
Jags are stupidly easy to play in ground.
Purely G2G it’s a 10.0, purely A2A it’s a 10.7, the issues are that it can do both, and that until the next update it’s the only top tier AA available to the US. I wouldn’t be surprised to see it move down afterward.
I have done it using the BGL400 and tossing them, but it’s a rather pointless endeavour, I do agree.
Also Jaguar A would probably be 11.0 if it were used, the only thing that spares the bracket from it’s existence is the gaping hole between 10.0 to 12.0 in the french ground TT.
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Easy, stock 8km missile cause despite what you say it does effect the statistics and therefore the placement, the non existence of protection of any kind unlike the m113 (38mm all round) and bradley hulls (25 minimum all round) the adats sits on versus the 9mm of structural on the 2s6. The search radar being inferior (18km range vs 25 on the adats), and the aforementioned inability to deal with anything more heavily armoured than a light tank. If you think 3kgs is enough to reliably over pressure things then i have bridges to sell you.
in GSB. I find that I need ot be higher than that to be safe from a 2S6
3kg may not be, but the 4.7kg of tnt equivalent most definitely is.
If flying straight, you should drop at 15.5km if at 9600 meters, and 13km if at 7400 meters.
Should help you get better guidance with bombs as well.
Nothings changing For Britain unfortunately and its weaker than the US version.
and if its 10.0 purely vs tanks and 10.7 purely vs aircraft. Then it being 10.7 would be fine because its still higher than if it was a pure TD. Also you have things like the 2S38 that can do both and yet is a lower BR than even comprable IFVs or SPAAGs.
The the over 6kg tnt equiv is also more than enough to do the same on the ADATS right and thats before we talk about the heat.
Thanks to the heat warhead, overpressure is less likely with the adats, so yeah. The 6kg equivalent being good for overpressure is before you talk about the heat :p
It is far less consistent than the Tunguska regarding overpressure. Still happens, but generally less consistently.
Stock grind does not matter. if it does. then Challenger 2s to 10.7 because they have L23A1 stock.
So the ADATS can survive a 50 cal and the 2S6 cannot?
Can the ADATS survive something with a 25mm autocanon? No. It has no protection either.
and? It has a slighter better detection range. Both ranges are still greater than their max missile ranges and 99.99% of the time you are not using hte radar in the ADATS only the IRST which is like 8km anyway.
and that is the only advantage I can think of. The IRST , but again, not even necessarily anything new. the Stormer HVM has IRST at 10.3.
Again. Why are we judging an SPAA by its ability to kill tanks. If that is the ONYL thing that matter. Change it from an SPAA to TD, remvoe its prox fuse and drop it down to like 9.7 / 10.0, as its weaker than many other ATGM launchers.
Tunguska has IRST. So is not even an advantage to ADATS in that regard.
Well, there you go, not even a difference there. Was the only thing that made me think that the ADATS might need to be 0.3 higher, but if it has it too. Then it should be the same BR