Something about progression and your tank getting better (playable) is satisfying. Renew premium pls.
After I ground out the M1A2 Abrams, I took a break from top tier and had a number of stock vehicles from 8.7-11.3 that I never played.
To the credit of OP I struggled with the Heat-fs stock round on many vehicles, on my first trip up to the top tier ground vehicles.
However, these days with the inclusion of many light tanks, AFVs and a more stable game client (in my opiniom) I’ve found the heat-fs shells to be quite capable. They definitely have limitiations but the HEAT-FS shells as they currently exist in game they’re hardly the handicap some people make them out to be.
Given the large variety of darts that vehicles have access to these days, I don’t see why some vehicles could start with a ‘stock-tier’ APFSDS round as well as a Heat or HE.
I don’t consider it to be a serious issue though, more a matter of taste.
Do you use HEAT-FS at top tier instead of APFSDS?
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I take 50/50 and load heat as my first shell for light tanks. I typically enounter them before MBTs and then I switch back and forth as required.
Vamilad, you necro the thread after stock APFSDS was added for top rank tanks 😂
RISE DEAD THREAD… RISE!!!
I’ve been told repeatedly to use threads for which the topic was already created.
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There comes a discussion of what is considered “top tier”.
Better than an arbitrary rank let us examine the technology of tanks.
At 10.3 onwards every MBT on every nation is resistant to HEAT-FS. Every nation has composite armor at some point in their tank. Some include ERA on their sides further negating even the possibility of flanking shots.
Given you are already contending with tanks that will have better speed than you, access to thermals, access to better ammunition. I find no justification for the base round of tanks of such BRs to not be the minimum penetrating APFSDS round they would have used in real life.
Just leave it there and we can all call it a day.
You’ve stated previously that you willingly use HEAT-FS as your primary round at high tier. While you’re free to do as you wish the majority of the player base disagrees with such playstyle.
APFSDS was developed for modern warfare. It’s what is used in modern tanks to defeat modern tanks. HEAT-FS remains only against light targets (as you yourself mentioned) which are not the primary vehicle found in War Thunder. Several tech trees do not even have access to such light vehicles at high tier.
In real life a tank will not load ammunition until a target has been selected, but War Thunder being a game liberties are taken with what is / isn’t done inside a tank. What remains true is the usage of APFSDS against armored targets being the best solution. Gaijin’s restriction of this usage goes against the gameplay of their own game. They create useless members on teams who through no fault of their own can only watch helplessly while the enemy pushes in to their spawn.
High tier already suffers greatly from COD style gameplay. It doesn’t need further help.
While you’re free to do as you wish the majority of the player base disagrees with such playstyle.
I didn’t realise you had surveyed everyone.
APFSDS was developed for modern warfare. It’s what is used in modern tanks to defeat modern tanks. HEAT-FS remains only against light targets (as you yourself mentioned) which are not the primary vehicle found in War Thunder. Several tech trees do not even have access to such light vehicles at high tier.
In real life a tank will not load ammunition until a target has been selected, but War Thunder being a game liberties are taken with what is / isn’t done inside a tank. What remains true is the usage of APFSDS against armored targets being the best solution. Gaijin’s restriction of this usage goes against the gameplay of their own game. They create useless members on teams who through no fault of their own can only watch helplessly while the enemy pushes in to their spawn.
On the contrary tanks, will pre-emtively load a HEAT-FS as it effectively serves a dual purpose against armoured and unarmoured targets. It is after all a High Explosive ‘ANTI TANK’ shell, not a High Explosive Anti Material shell or Anti Personnel Shell.
High tier already suffers greatly from COD style gameplay. It doesn’t need further help.
You’re just presenting your opinions as if they are facts Vamilad, the only defensible statement you can really make is that a player with no alternative to HEAT-FS is disadvantaged compared to player using the same vehicle but with all the Shells unlocked. HOWEVER, the same is also true for any stock vehicle in the game compared to the same vehicle when fully upgraded.
You would have to find a way to meaningfully quantify the disadvantage of using a HEAT shell at top tier or to be specific 10.3 as you have suggest. Additionally, you would then have to isolate the disadvantage of using the HEAT shell from the disadvantage of being stock. Even if you were able to demonstrate a quantifiable disadvantage you would then need to establish a baseline by which you could determine if the disadvantage of the stock HEAT shell was excessive compared to other vehicles performance using their stock shells (Shermans using solid shot AP shells with no filler or ballistic caps, or T-54 using the basic APHE with not ballistic caps for example).
It’s really easy to say that using HEAT-FS at top tier feels like shit and make players useless but it’s extremely difficult to prove and as I’ve said above, you’re just presenting your opinions as if they are facts. The only reason I brought up my preference to use HEAT-FS and the success I’ve found using them was to provide an opinion to the contrary. Since we’re only discussing opinions and anecdotes I figure mine would be worth as much as yours in this topic.
Since you wish to live outside of reality I will avoid making further replies to you.
Do you promise?
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idk when youll stop this kind of gaslighting.
he never did this, i wish this charade just wasnt.
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@Armen_Lozone
Dude, stop trying to start arguments cause someone mistyped a year ago.
Stop accusing honesty of being lies, that’s just terrible.
Oh and accusing people of gaslighting is itself a form of gaslighting.
I get we agree on most things, but that shouldn’t upset you.
Abrams and Merkavas almost immune to HEAT ammunition, and non-tandem ATGMs also often struggle to deal critical damage, as soon as you see composite armor, they are resistant against such damage types, >9.3 you start seeing a lot of them with such attributes regardless of nations they all have them.
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idk ive had pretty good performance with even the standard TOWs against no ERA tanks
Post new threads = get yelled at for not using existing threads
Post in an old existing thread = get yelled at for necro
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Money money money must be funny…
It’s worse because it’s not even top tier, actual top tier gets APFSDS, the previous top tier now gets outclassed + handicapped with a mechanic that should have never existed.
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