Why is F-4J 12.0!

1020 CMs is definetly not enough CMs. Give it BOL too :P

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so true!

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No offence, but man, really this comment shows why we need decompression badly

I think F-4S owners will burn the forum down if they become 12.3BR
As long as F-4EJ Kai has 30 extra CM with better RWR/Radar.

My line of thinking was that the EJ kai has better radar/rwr but lacks HMD

have you used the F-4J HMD?

HMD is certainly useful, but as even seen with aircraft like the Typhoon vs Rafale. Without a good off-boresight missile, the HMD value is lost a bit,

The greater difference is the Agile Eagle

Yes, I know, its high prf but still is a useful feature since you can spam locks where you know the enemy is, without prior alerting them with your radar search and fire a missile in quick succession. Or if the target is spotted by your team.

Implying having extra options makes you worse is peak forums take

F-4J is undeniably worse than F-4S

no. move all things higher up. its a compression issue not the phantom being a bad plane

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MLD would be ok at 12.0 in air RB, but the ML and MLA can’t go up due to their abysmal RWR and relatively poor radar. Good luck facing Aim-120s and good 4th gens with Spo-10.

Mig-23MLD is inferior to F-4J in all ways except dogfight capability where they’re more equal than different.

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Sure, but its not lower br worse.

because gaijin doesn’t care, the plane has been like this since launch.

Yeah playing f-4j rn and i just can’t understand how it is the same BR as f-4s while f-4s is better in every way
Also radar is a big pile of crap tbh unreliable af, mig-23mld radar is way more reliable even though it’s technically worse

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not the case

It is the case, i’ve played them both and came to this conclusion

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I question your judgement heavily.

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eh rly

Err… I can’t see the difference. Can you tell us why ‘F-4J acts worse in every way’

  • it has the same engine
  • it has the same 20mm gunpods
  • it has AIM-9G, which is slightly worse than AIM-9H, but at a marginal level.
  • it has the same AIM-7F. which was one of the best SARH in this game before the MiG-29 shows up.
    with some fancy ahistorical buff for gameplay side, which its seeker acts monopulse.
  • has the same J79 engine
  • with same VTAS HMS
  • Also can access almost the same bombardment payloads.

Compression issue.
APG-59 is one of the earliest Pulse-doppler radars.
It might be unreliable, but still way better than most of Pulse-only radar.

It might be disappointing, still it is better than you think, and many of counterparts.


Man, I just can’t understand why US mains want to buff F-4J ‘because it acts way worse than F-4S in every way’?

F-4Junk

While there is a REAL F-4J which acts REALLY worse than F-4S in every way. for Christ’s sake.

Please, someone explain to me why you guys want to buff F-4J to 11.7.

I know F-4S acts better than F-4J, but is it really big enough to buff F-4J?
I thought it was marginal.

yeah the F-4J UK is definitely 11.7 worthy, but it’s still more than useable at 12.0, the F-4S would be perfectly fine at 12.3 which maybe minor adjustments and the F-4J could remain 12.0,

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First of all stop calling everyone who disagree with you US main
Second - leading-edge slats
Third - r-24r > aim-7f