Why is F-4J 12.0!

This doesnt affect only minor nations, affects many planes across the board

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Maybe affects both vehicles of minor nations and Minor vehicles in major nations.

I don’t get your meaning. But for example, the su-27 both sealclubs HARD in 12.0 to 13.3 matchmaking and suffers immensely when fully uptiered. Now the F-14B for example, is meh even in downtiers and completely garbage in uptiers.

I was thinking about F-84F and F9F compared to F-86A when writing that comment
Sorry for being ambiguous at that moment. :'(

Anyway, back to original topic,
I don’t think F-4J(USN) need to go down to 11.7 because of ‘lack of wing slats compared to F-4S’

imo the f4s/j need the extra flares the most rn bc they dont really fire their CMs in a smart way, they just spam their flares upwards

If the F-4S could receive aim9L it would be fine at 12.3 like the EJ kai

yes, the f4s could carry the same pods the av8a gets, i can carry 4 of them giving the f4S 960 CMs + the 60 in the airframe, you wouldnt even loose anything important by carrying the flare pods, you would only loose the bombs, i see that as a win-win scenario

1020 CMs is definetly not enough CMs. Give it BOL too :P

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so true!

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No offence, but man, really this comment shows why we need decompression badly

I think F-4S owners will burn the forum down if they become 12.3BR
As long as F-4EJ Kai has 30 extra CM with better RWR/Radar.

My line of thinking was that the EJ kai has better radar/rwr but lacks HMD

have you used the F-4J HMD?

HMD is certainly useful, but as even seen with aircraft like the Typhoon vs Rafale. Without a good off-boresight missile, the HMD value is lost a bit,

The greater difference is the Agile Eagle

Yes, I know, its high prf but still is a useful feature since you can spam locks where you know the enemy is, without prior alerting them with your radar search and fire a missile in quick succession. Or if the target is spotted by your team.

Implying having extra options makes you worse is peak forums take

F-4J is undeniably worse than F-4S

no. move all things higher up. its a compression issue not the phantom being a bad plane

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MLD would be ok at 12.0 in air RB, but the ML and MLA can’t go up due to their abysmal RWR and relatively poor radar. Good luck facing Aim-120s and good 4th gens with Spo-10.

Mig-23MLD is inferior to F-4J in all ways except dogfight capability where they’re more equal than different.

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Sure, but its not lower br worse.

because gaijin doesn’t care, the plane has been like this since launch.