them adding r27er does not mean they thought r27r was the issue
as it seems aim7p would be better than aim7m, worse than ER, it has the IOG+DL of the r27 with the kinetic performance of a sparrow
But that is kind of the point. If we consider the Mig-23MLD and F-4J overall equal. It could. Especially with the current compression of those above it (F-15A, Su-27, F-18, Mig-29, F-16s and the ARH slingers at 13.0) Fighting any of those is extremely onesides.
Yes, its a compression issue, yes moving the F-4Js (US & UK) down 0.3 might cause some issues in downtiers, but I think it wouldn’t be too bad. I cant think of any 10.7s that would especially struggle.
no they simply thought that r27r was underperforming in relation to the sparrow
They didn’t bud. The MiG-29 specifically was considered “too strong” in regards to it having R73s on dev. They removed them before live. They then found the MiG-29 was too weak OVERALL (read: not the R-27R specifically) and decided to buff it by giving it the R-27ER
they’re not equal though, especially the f4s being an f4j with slats, mig23 doesn’t have a proper pulse Doppler unlike f4, also f4 carries WAY more radar missiles (better ones too) so I don’t see why it should be 11.7, it’s fine as is
7F is worse than R-24R.
I dont think the F-4S should move, only the F-4Js could move (UK one probably needs to move more than the US one though as its weaker still)
It’s MTI mode has issues, but isnt unusable and as @hjnbnb pointed out, IRST + R-24Ts is probably more effective
It does, but 4x rear-aspect + 4x SARH or 6x SARH (I dont know the exact weapons config options on the US F-4s) about matches the 4x All-aspect + 2x SARH
R-24Rs are the best SARH below 12.0 by quite a margin due to the IOG and great acceleration. Only real weakness is that they struggle at longer ranges. Which is where Skyflash DF and Aim-7Fs need to be used in a BVR joust otherwise R-24R holds all the cards.
Its not until R-27R, R-27ERs and Aim-7Ps that they are truly beaten. Skyflash STs and Aim-7Ms might be slightly better, but that IOG cant be underrated when used right
F-4J = Mig-23MLD imo
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This is just a 7E2
Then F-4S pretty much is as well, they only differ by AoA ability
The Agile eagle imo does push it above the other F-4s and Probably the Mig-23s enough to warrant being 0,3 higher, though probably shouldnt be 12.0 to avoid the the things it see in a full uptier. Also premium + napalm is a powerful grinder tool
doesnt have AE, that is specifically and only for the F-4E/F, but it does have slats yes
It doesn’t when you consider the compression the game exists under.
It shouldn’t factor into BR
Like I said, should be above the others, but shouldnt be at 12.0. But the others cannot move down further than 11.7.
Yes its a compression issue
It shouldnt, but this is Gaijin we are talking about.
f4j is good at 12.0 f4j is better than floggers.
HELL no
sub 10 km? sure. i would never pick 2 r24r over 4 aim7f. also aim9g >>>>> r60m
just a note, the aim 7 F/M/P accelerates faster on the booster stage.
honestly 100%, more than a few times i got kills solely because of that.
yes but you can roll a sparrow while you cant roll an r27
also for some reason r27 is stupidly hard to notch compared to all other SARHs