I just can’t get why you want to send F-4J to 11.7
While there are a lot worse jets in 11.7-12.0
I don’t think 2x AIM-9L on attacker fuselage acts better than 6x AIM-7F with PD radar.
If you guys end up sending F-4J to 11.7
it will become another [shameless BR buffing on Sabre/MiG-15 family caused by US/USSR Bias] case.
The f4s/j are right now missing their extra flare pods, i say they would be fine if gaijin gave them to it
The F-4J is technically worse than the F-4S at the same BR.
It lacks a Helmet Mounted Display and slatted wings for dogfighting.
Whilst I’m not advocating for the F-4J to 100% go down to 11.7 and potentially club the 10.7 jets it will face there.
I just thought I would point these differences between these two Phantoms out.
if we added these id be chill 60cm is not a lot
I stand corrected, I should have clarified specifically the British F-4J Phantom which unfortunately doesn’t seem to get it unlike the American F-4J since the HMD used was only an experimental thing only tested on U.S. F-4J/F-4S Phantoms:
All 12.0 Phantoms (that aren’t British) are just plain better than the ML/D.
It belongs to 12.0. So does the undertiered mig23 mld.
Ask for decompression instead, not lowering BRs of specific stuff unless they are very bad. Not the case of the F-4J
Eh it has 2 SARHs compared to the average F-4S/J carrying 5. It doesn’t have the killing power they have. BR decompression (again) would be a solution.
I don’t think only F-4J/S has a problem about CM and needs extra care.
Also has 60CM in total
while Kfir C.2/C.7 has even lesser 36CM.
60CM can be disappointed especially when you need to fight against some neat missiles like AIM-9M/R-73 or R-27ER.
but it isn’t only F-4J/S (USN)'s problem, and buffing them down to 11.7 or giving Extra CM exclusively to them is shameless.
Yeah, This is some annoying and confusing point when discussing between F-4J(USN) and F-4J(UK)
Even Gaijin themselves have confusion about that and gave them the same BR on ASB too! Xd
I just wonder
if OP’s claim is flawlessly right and F-4J(USN) need to be 11.7
then should F-4J(UK) goes down to 11.3 and tied with F-4E?
(Because Skyflash is literally AIM-7E-2 but has slightly wider fuse radius)
It has fewer but better missiles, on a more potent platform. Only the radar is a downgrade but still works well with R-24R since it has IOG (and datalink?)
On paper, yes, but cant dismiss the:
Whether they are 1 for 1 equal is certainly open for debate, but I dont think the Mig-23ML/MLA/MLD wouldn’t specifically suffer from being a higher BR either. Especially also given their lower BR in SB, the argument for many of the F-4s still being 12.0 gets even worse.
Main handicap I acknowledge for the Mig-23s is the radar auto-swapping (need a setting to disable that) and limited available control imputs needed for manual wing control
In the current ARB situation, flight performance isn’t that meta, and losing 3 SARHs for a better FM isn’t the best trade imo.
I will not deny that R-24R’s are amazing, but you only get 2.
Shit front aspects tbf.
Yeah its fast asf but you can’t run from every problem.
I agree, I’m not saying the mld is superior to the F-4J.
Im saying it should be at the same BR, so about equals with different capabilities/playstyles
My general experience is that if you wait to fire until the last possible moment and hte target isnt pre-flaring, its nearly a 100% guranteed kill with them. At least that is why I Always pre-flare in a head on vs a Mig-23MLD in SB in both the FGR2 and F3
In my opinion its not 12.0 worthy, but it also isn’t 11.7 worthy.
Yeah, definetly a 11.85 worthy jet.
Thats why decompression is so needed but gaijin wont listen
Gaijin Logic
