Bison and good radar don’t go together.
It’s a decent radar, at best. But the gimbal limit makes any missile joust a suicide against any Aim7 carrier. You essentially have to fly almost straight at the target to guide your missile, when the other planes can easily add 20° to their crank. It makes the difference.
The advantage of the Bison’s radar is that its an all aspect PD radar with all aspect TWS which is a big advantage in not only situational awareness but it also makes it difficult to notch.
The all aspect TWS of the Bison is blind as a bat. It cannot reliably see anything above 15km.
I have to rely on the TWS HDN mode for 99% of the match.
The all aspect PD is decent if you are in pursuit, yep. It’s also harder to notch indeed. But this radar is extremely limited in use in general, and R27R are quite frankly not that great. Bison is a one-trick pony. It exists to ambush with HMD and R73, or get a one-turn reversal, dump all speed and stall maneuver a R73 with HMD.
It cannot reliably BVR. R27R are too slow and too short ranged. The radar gimbal is too limited to crank. It has a 10km HMD so it also cannot rely on it for SARH kills either. (and it doesn’t have IRST for the soviet trick of IRST HMD into radar lock)
Honestly at the same BR the Mirage 2000 S5 is far more deadly. R530D are better than the R27R, magic 2 are almost equal to the R73, and it has a “PD HDN” radar in theory, but in practice it functions almost as well as an all-aspect PD.
You don’t BVR with the R-27R. You use it for missile jousts because they’re undodgable because they pull extremely hard with IOG+DL. The 7F/M on the other hand is dodgable within 5km with a simple maneuver.
Who the hell tries to BVR in a rat plane like the Bison anyway? You got HMD, R-73s, and R-27R which screams rat plane.
40° gimbal. Any plane doing a crank with a 7F wins the joust unless you abort completely.
Please show me how you “dodge a 7F with a simple maneuver at 5km” with a Bison lol.
You don’t need to pull 12Gs. You just need to be able to pull hard enough 9-11Gs to juke the 7F. And I know for a fact that the MiG-21Bis can pull hard at high speed.
I’m not saying the MiG-21Bison is good at 12.3. But it being 12.3 is warranted. As you said its a one trick pony.
I’m not saying the Bison doesn’t deserves 12.3, I’m saying you overestimate greatly its radar. I’m pretty sure this juke maneuver you showed would have a 50% chance of losing lock. The gimbal is extremely limited on this plane.
IOG and TRK MEM would compensate for the short time the Bison loses lock.
Huh!?! since when is it suicidal to missile joust with Aim 7 carriers? If anything it’s a blessing to know someone only has AIM 7s and not R27R or 530Ds
Or we need a solution for this problem
Which can be discussed in those threads rather than having so many.
Honestly after being clubbed by Fakour daily, I agree with this as AIM54 against 11.3s like J8B, J35XS and perhaps Mig23 as well feels quite difficult to counter. Fakour currently is like you either gete something between you and the missile, or turn around/ notch immediately as the RWR goes off. My problem is that if it goes up, so does the F14B which will probably be fed to AIM120s like mad. Overall I just think I would much rather see decompression than BR change.
better to have one aircraft that’s a bit less meta than about 5 or 6 different airframes that are barely usable.
True, I think just need to decompress, like getting locked by Magic 2 is death, AIM54 is death as well, pretty annoying RN. GRB need the same thing.
All modes need decompression, though Gaijin’s previous excuse of “queue times” doesn’t work except for Naval, but then again Naval has its own ball of issues.
I also want them to reopen Asian server, cause when I play I sometimes get casted to American server and then 400ms lag and no fun. Queue times are ok RN unless you are trying to play 1am.
It’s not the regular F-14A that’s the problem, it’s that busted Iranian one. That thing needs a good look at. No business being at 12.3 the way it currently is.
eh, i’d sleep better at night with both at 12.7 and beyond. but the Iranian one should definitely go up, no question about it. I fear that because they’re on both teams regularly though, it’ll get missed in the next BR changes.
The issue with the Fakour is that its engine is so much more powerful than AIM54, so much that it can hit people from 20km out which is currently kinda like AIM120 only thing cause even PL12 struggles at this range, yet things like J35XS seem to be forced to deal with this with less than 20 flare/chaff and not even SARH.
Yeah, I mean the thing with Fakour is just that with normal AIM54, you hear the RWR go off you notch and you get away. With Fakour 90 it’s like rwr go off, instantly notch plus lower height plus chaff/chaff and run away and you have like 20% chance of getting away still. It’s like R27 speed but ARH and 50kg warhead.