And where does it say that it’s a suggestion?
Edit: Give me quote, screenshot or something so that I can verify your claim because right now I have a high suspicion you’re only speculating
Your post provided the quote…
“Do not” is a request to the crew.
Unless you’re going to claim your own post was wrong…
You also explicitly stated Gaijin was correct:
Ik that countries do upgrades to vehicle when they buy it but after the Chineese communities behaviour with the VT4, the apache they are getting should be no where near as good as the american
Why do you care? It’s not going to change the fact that the VT-4 will end up in the Japanese tree.
It’s not a request or a suggestion, It is an instruction or prohibition. I highly recommend you learn the differences between the three and know when to use them.
Nope, it’s to show that we don’t have manuals of export 64Es saying explicity saying that it can use JAGM-MRs. The document you’re referring to shows that it’s compatible nothing more, nothing less.
The real question should be is why is China receiving its second LDIRCM helicopter, when other nations still don’t have an equivalent? Is Gaijin really this far out of touch with the rest of the player base?
What are you talking about? France, Japan, and soon to be Britain are getting theirs…
@HondaCivici
Provide any documentation that proves AH-64Es are different from each other in fire control systems based on export status.
Also, I said in another thread. Gaijin set its precedence regarding platform using munitions vs operating nation actually purchasing said munition.
I forgot exactly what it was with the F18s, someone had told me but I forgot, but one of the operating nations in game didn’t buy certain munitions but Gaijin gave the plane the munition still because ‘the platform uses it’
Okay, let me put this in bold letters so you can understand better.
Why is China RECEIVING its SECOND LDIRCM helicopter before every nation remaining has received its FIRST ONE?
Other nations getting one ‘soon’ is not an excuse to give it another top tier helicopter with LDIRCM before every other nation has received one.
The precedent has not changed:
Manuals and documentation restricts.
Countries adding new weapons can overcome those manuals for added features [BOL pods on F-18C MLU2].
This has not changed.
Soviets removed features from export aircraft to make them weaker until Mig-29.
Finland explicitly told the manufacturer to not include air to ground fire control systems in their F-18C.
Also it’s not before, it’s at the same time as others are receiving.
Great Britain is not receiving its AH64E this update.
Germany is not receiving any equivalent this update.
Israel is not receiving an equivalent this update.
Italy is not receiving an equivalent this update.
Sweden is not receiving an equivalent this update.
So why should China receive its second one before these nations have received their first one?
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Italy, Israel, Germany have F&F weapon systems currently.
LDIRCM is neat, but terrain following prevents the need for it to begin with.
We don’t know about Britain, so making conclusive claims is not going to be accurate.
China has F&F weapon systems currently, why does it need another top tier helicopter with LDIRCM protection?
Again, soon isn’t an excuse to give China a second top tier LDIRCM helicopter.
They should delay this addition until everyone else has received their first LDIRCM helicopter.
China should get its own equipment when possible, not a US copy-and-paste AH-64E.
Not only is it bad for the game’s health, but it also makes SIM a nightmare.
I don’t because if I did, I’d be in jail. No one knows what’s in the manual so me not proving a negative doesn’t make it a positive.
It is also common sense that a manual wouldn’t have weapon systems that haven’t been fully tested.
You’ll have to prove an arms export that states the order of JAGM-MRs. So far only the nerthlands can use the 179a (which is not the MR)
The burden of proof is on those that make the active claim.
The active claim is: “AH-64E is made different if exported.”
My claim has been status quo, a passive claim: “AH-64E has no difference between export and domestic production options in its weapon system.”
Boeing confirmed this by clearing JAGM use for AH-64Es as a whole.
@Just_Baron
Helicopters have IFF…
There is no burden of proof because both sides have to prove it. Neither you and I have no proof for it but I acknowledge it, you don’t
Which you have no proof in as there many instances of export restrictions for tanks and aircraft.
You’re referring to the JAGM-179A which is very much different to the JAGM-MR. The Brochure of the MR only shows it’s compatible.
Again, it’s quite funny that you think a weapon system that hasn’t passed testing phase will be in the manual, especially for an export buyer.
Just because the AH-64E can use AGM-179 doesnt mean all of the export countries used them.
United States: The JAGM was intended for joint use across the U.S. Army, Navy, and Marine Corps to replace the Hellfire missile.
United Kingdom: A sale of up to 3,000 missiles was approved for the UK’s AH-64E Apache fleet.
Netherlands: The Netherlands is set to be the first international user and has requested 296 missiles for its AH-64E helicopters.
Poland: Poland is acquiring the JAGM as part of its AH-64E Apache helicopter procurement.
South Korea: The sale of JAGM missiles to South Korea has been approved.
Have yet to find info on the ROC buying or using them. So if you can find said info by all means post it.
I just want to add, Taiwanese AH-64Es never got LDIRCM (they operate with ATAS on the wingtips if I recall correctly), and so far the Indonesian AH-64E ingame lacks the LDIRCM and radar as seen in real life.
This makes me think that the Taiwanese Apache will not come with LDIRCM.
We’re not LARPing as militaries. We’re using military equipment.
Sales don’t matter, only compatibility matters.
Show me where export AH-64Es had capability removed.