No armor, no good tanks, when a good tank coming is worse than the same tank in other nation.
The Cold War in german is true suffering, but HEY! u TIGER HELL!!! OMG!!! idk German bad because “NZ” and kill people.
Tbh Im german but play USA (not cuz of the WW2 stuff). And as a XM800T lover, I can say that literally no german tank at 8.7 is 20mm prove (dont wanna talk about 35mm). All tanks at Rank 5 (only Maus) are no problem to deal with and got me my first nuke. Rank 6 isnt better except for M48A2 (An american export).
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It’s a difference in doctrine. You can either have armor that hardly works, or forego it for better mobility. The leopards are a highlight of the cold war and German mid-high tier
Not to mention, very few tanks in the game are immune to DM63 to the side. Turn towards the XM800T and suddenly they can’t pen you.
And yeah, it will track and barrel you, but that’s not unique to the leopards. That’s just autocannon shenanigans
I am still waiting for an answer as to why I am missing vehicles, and why mine are consistently worse than everyone else’s.
Leo 1 is superior to M48, KPz-70 is superior to MBT-70, plus Germany gets Russian vehicles as well because of Warsaw and the eastern Germany occupation.
That said Germany 7.3 Is the worst Line-up you can get if you only have techtree vehichles. According to statshark the only vehichles worse K/D wise than the Luchs are the two soviet 1.0 Spaa and a Katyusa who can’t even directfire. The Wiesel is a little bit better, he generously allows the commonly wieved worst vehichles, like the Csaba, L3 and Fcm 36 to have a worse Kd than him.
I don’t get how the Btr 80a and Luchs have the same Br.
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I’m a US main grinding the german tree. You’re right, but I will also say that german players are actually worse than the american ones.
Thought I had it bad in US tree… holy canoli the german mains are aweful.
The amount of times they try to push a t58 in cqb, or charge an xm800… I just can’t. I have the MPI and 2IP at 9.3, and I gwt more kills and place in top three using just the m41 as an opener. By the time I get one of my premiums out (grinding my way through the tree), half the team is dead. They’re blind. Push corners they shouldn’t be pushing. And wiff shots like crazy.
The hard part about grinding germany are your teams mates usually.
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You’re incorrect, the MPI gets frontally penned by DM63.
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I think in this case, you are playing the vehicles wrong. You cannot rush the same way you can with smaller verhicles, but you can hide behined cover and peak out as people race around the map.
Your vehicles are mobile and have decent fire power. Use cover, don’t take head on engagements, flank and use spotting/arty to support your team. You are not a frontline fighter, unless you’re in the mbt70 or t72m1.
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This could also be the problem. The problem is when you find the one aware of 100 germ main
Yup. I have repeatedly gone into rampage mode after our spawn gets pushed in and cleared out the front line. Managed to eak out a win from that a few times. Folks also push into AA to early and then get killed so when CAS shows up nobody can kill it.
Grinding this tree has mads me appreciate the free vehicles you get. The gepard is nice, and I have enjoyed the t72m1 a lot.
Tbh im too bad for that… But not to annoy Turm 3s :p U dont know what I already seen… Today took out ZiS30 and damn, I shot bro’s track (Pz III J1) and rushed him for fun, he noticed me 1s before I killed him… Btw everything frontal and without bushes
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And if you angle your Leo 1 turret 2 degrees towards me (if you even noticed me) than your ammo is the high light… Btw its about the in game performance not military dotcine or am I wrong?
germany has the most undertiered tanks in the game lmfao
You are correct, the point was that gaijin isn’t intentionally adding inferior German vehicles, that’s just what they were like. Also take my opinion on the XM800T with a grain of salt since I haven’t actually played it, my only experience is in the falcon or 35mm SPAA which can only pen through the rangefinder on the 8.0 leopard (frontally of course)
party, but at that time HEAT-FS was making heavy RHA armour irrelevant and composite /NERA wasn’t really a thing yet, so Germany was building MBTs that where basically light tanks, so most of their line up at those BRs are essentually light tanks.
They work fine in game, but it’s a pretty sudden shift in the style of game play.
I would appreciate it if those who haven’t even touched a Leopard—or at least haven’t spent any meaningful time with one—would refrain from lecturing others on how to play it.
To reiterate: the German Leopards are in a worse state than the versions found in other nations; furthermore, aside from their firepower—which is only effective “sometimes”—their armor isn’t even implemented correctly.
… I am playing the leopards.
I’ve played US and maxed it out. I have played france to 8.0, UK to 11.0 (which is the opposite of germany), and I am grinding my way to germany.
I am playing the Leopard MPI and 2IP with a m41 and the 7.3 IFV (I forgot what its called) as back up. I also have their 9.0 heli which has been fun.
It is frustrating to play them at times even as an experienced player. But they’re better off than france in terms of line up.
They still one tap russia, china, US, and UK lower front plates and can usually breach them reliably. You have to play cautiously and patiently. You cannot usually run and gun them until the enemy team is either broken (frontline) or over confident and busy pushing spawn (flank).
Situational awareness is a MUST. Do you play with headphones?
C.eaters dont play germany. And regular players dont spend as much as them.
I think the problem is that firstly Germany is full of inexperienced players and secondly the best German vehicles after WWII are all premiums.