Why f-4s phantom is such garbage?

It’s quite literally one of the best 12.0 if not the best 12.0 jet. ( I personally think it is the best 12.0. )

sidewinders get a decent amount of kills from the rear when you shoot them at people in ambush situations. The sparrows are very deadly at this BR.

except worse radar, worse IR missiles, worse RWR, no hmd, and imo worse FM

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I wish the S’s HUD actually worked, its fails to show target tracks and has done so since it’s introduction when it should display such.

The other F-4s slew their reticle to the target which is good, but for some reason, the S, with it’s more advanced HUD, just outright does nothing.

And worse radar missiles in lower quantity

The F-4S HUD is way better than the FGR2/FG1/F-4J(UK) at a bare minimum

r24r is superior to 7f but you only get 2 and the mig23’s radar is bad relative to the f4s

Because they broke sparrows almost 2 years ago

Cheese burger has blessed us again

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I was about to say everyone is complaining about f4s same reason I was complaining about f1c both get up tier while f1c have magic that can save it f4s have sparrow but no 12.0 plane is fun when u are always fighting f18 and su33

I mean lets be fair - problem of uptiers isnt unique to F-4S.

And should it hypothethically face only its own BR, maybe MiG-23s at most, its kit is great for a missile bus.

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Definitely i fully agree it was fun when it was just mig23ml vs f4s lobby

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Though it is fun farming kills against the F-4Ss in the F3 :P

Was playing it last night and its really funny how bad people are at defending against SARH at that BR range.

Though downtiers werent uncommon. But yeah. 13.0 matches sucked.

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I respect anyone who play tornado hats off specially not just running for the base and getting clapped in the process

Spoiler

All shall fear the Tonka!

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Holylee f damn man that’s impressive if I was in that match I will go crazy I have never seen a good tornado pilots they all just throw there aim9 at anything and fly for the base

F3 =/= the IDSs

F3 has 4x Aim-9L and 4x Skyflash SuperTEMPs and a very good radar but has no bombs.

Though I have gotten 2-3 kill games in the GR4, which is the 12.3 IDS

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Still impressive either way

Is the super temp better than the 7M?

Sidegrade. Better in some places worse in others

Very much so no, as those phantoms have HUDs that actually do something, the S’s gives you functionally no useful information.

The HUD outright displays incorrect flight information to boot, with the attitude lines not displaying attitude compared to the actual nose of the aircraft, instead it’s flight vector for some ungodly reason.

The altitude track is also not properly calibrated to ft or meters, its some measure in-between, and the speed track, while calibrated to knots, is should be calibrated to IAS but departs from it at certain altitudes.

The cannon sight to ground CCIP is misaligned, with rounds striking quite high, rockets strike quite low and bombs strike long, in A2A, if you lock up someone your cannon pipper also just goes to Narnia when you make any movement, regardless of how small, meaning you have to aim with your eyeball if you want to hit anything, ironically if you get very close to a target the gunsight does slightly begin to work, but it will end up just vibrating because of the radar, making it’s use largely impossible against anything thats is maneuvering.

The F-4 HUDs in general are missing a ton of features and the 4S is no different, the sad part is that both the 4S and the general 4E style HUDs used to actually work both better and were more historically accurate in the past, but after gaijin added in radar gunsights for stuff, that all just ceased to be.

It still has way more of a HUD than the FGR2/FG1 which is just an Orange circle in the middle of the HUD that sometimes moves.

Id kill for half the HUD the F-4S has, In fact half the reason why I dont play the FGR2/FG1 is that the HUD sucks.