Why f-4s phantom is such garbage?

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Why that piece of junk is at 12.0 br? and why you dare to sell that junk to people? The missiles are useless - 9h is megauseless flare loving nothing, the mig-23ml is better in everything and it is at 11.7. And most of the time you stuck at the bottom of the team whwre it’s even more useless?

Its’ 8 rockets don’t matter because you actually need an opportunity to shoot them and you have to get upclose.

I know, I know - bla-bla-bla skill issue, relax. Even the bloggers who you actually pay say that this is garbage they hate to fly. And most of the rank 7 are those horrible planes. So make them actually playable and enjoyable, since it’s not a stupid bdsm game!

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just use it as bomber and fighter after that. probably most rewarding gameplay overall

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the F-4S has HMD as well as SRC PDV HDN which is a headon radar, enabling you to use sparrows reliably getting a lock in a headon

whilst the mig23ml has a more eh radar and can lose lock in a headon unless at high altitude

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Im just gonna put this here before i anyone starts to argue how this should be 11.7 lol. Massive, MASSIVE, skill issue. Learn to play the br before complaining about it.

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please no

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what no
it’s most rewarding gameplay, let him abuse that

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Well theres a few issues here.

The F4S is more of a bomber than a fighter, while the Mig23ML is a fighter.

7Fs are decent SARH missiles.

It loves flares because it has no IRCCM , however depending on how well you fire it, theres a chance for it to ignore flares.

Most F4S players just send sparrows under 7km. If your target is equally braindead you are bound to score a hit.

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most of the time you will be outrunne dby other temmates to the base, and many tunnel vision and usually die to missiles

not recommended

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well, there is planes that can outrun F-4, but you cant do anything about that
maybe just abuse MP better than them and go straight

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imagine F-4J with less maneuverability

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Aim54 upon all base bombing f4Ss

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didnt had such problem when was grinding UK air in F-4

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How is the UK f4j is it any fun?

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F-4K, F-4M.
nobody gifted me F-4j, so i had to grind entire TT with hands.

Spoiler

Wasnt painfull tho, except of bucaneer

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It is by far the best phantom at 12.0

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being best of BS wont help it

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Maybe, maybe not.

But can always be worse. At least with the F-4S you have Napalm for relatively easy base bombing, Aim-7Fs for half decent SARH and agile eagle to allow you to actually dogfight things if needed. I know id run 6x Aim-7F + 2x Napalm if I ever got the F-4S to farm out the US tree.

Id stick at about 10k ft, slap those trying to hide in MP and then dump 2x Napalm on a target when I got the chance.

Sure. Sucks fighting the 12.7/13.0s, but thats a far wider problem than just the F-4S

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Explanation is far better radar und HMD compared to 23ML. Especially cause of HMD it should be even higher and not just + 0.3BR.

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HMD really isnt that big of a deal without HOBS to go with it.

Sure its handy to have at times, but with or without it, it would likely be the same BR. Same is true for others, like the Tornado GR4 wouldnt suddenly go down in BR because it lost HMD. I barely make use of it half the time and when I do, I could just as easily operate without. But in contrast with HOBS, like Mirage 2000D > Mirage 2000D RMV. It makes a big difference as it has Magic II which is a HOBS missile.

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what is this F-4S slander before my very eyes?

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